Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

xpost lol, i got that part. i'm just not sure that's the clearest way to present the information to the average person with low statistics literacy. but it's no big deal (that's why i was unreasonably annoyed)

Evangelical Christians is + 0.42

but

White Anglo-Saxon Protestants is - 0.42

Huh?

xpost lol, i got that part. i'm just not sure that's the clearest way to present the information to the average person with low statistics literacy. but it's no big deal (that's why i was unreasonably annoyed)

― Karl Malone, Saturday, March 12, 2016 2:22 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

right but doing it from + to - would be actively misleading imo

yeah, i suppose it's not the sort that's the problem but the whole way it's laid out. it's kind of ridic but splitting it up into two columns - people connected to these variables are into Trump; people connected to these other variables are not into Trump - would make it more clear. wouldn't exactly win infographic of the year award tho

Is this what you're saying - one column for positive correlations, one column for negative correlations. I'd be interested to see more of the negative ones, there's only 3 on there.

oh yeah, you just said that, my eye strain's getting the better of me.

The negative WASP correlation basically just means he's not really that popular overall, right? If even northern Europeans are a negative correlation, then he's not winning any broad demographic in that realm.

the article that's from would have been more useful
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/upshot/the-geography-of-trumpism.html

so the WASP thing really means that he's thriving in areas where there's economic conflict between ethnicities and white fear of displacement?

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10274020_10153457534331305_2178621901352941408_n.jpg?oh=9d2fcf2004b06e0383f6b1dc9fdcebf4&oe=57893BC0

So here's my story about this picture, and I promise you it's the god honest truth :
my friend Sean Kavanagh and I are walking out of the UIC Pavilion filled with some of the most palpable joy I've ever experienced. We did it. We fought for the truth and for a moment, a brief day, WON.
As we are leaving Trump protestors form small sections, small channels where Trump supporters can pass through to exit (a kindness which isn't quite afforded in the inverse when ya know, people get sucker punched being forced out of Trump rallies).
As people are walking out we're saying things like "Bye racists", "You lost. Please just go home now." bc many are leaving with shoves and shoulder checks, begrudgingly, but most with pent up fury.
The woman pictured with me and what looks to be her husband we're stragglers in the pack, and started responding to people's jeers. Some guy ripped a sign out of the man's hands and another man leapt out of nowhere, encouraging everyone around to respect them and let them leave (again, sometimes America is amazing).
This woman is a human being and although I don't share her views, I start yelling "I will respect my elders. Please. Leave." and a few other great folks and I start to clear the path. I walk right up to her and say "Ma'am we have listened to you. We understand this is all a little wild but we have cleared a path for you to leave *my right hand was constantly swinging in motion, showing her the path out we made for her, as shown in the photo*"
She goes, and I quote "Go? Back in my day, you know what we did-"
Bam. Hail's Hitler.
I go "Ma'am you are endagering your life doing this. LEAVE. TAKE YOUR HUSBAND AND LEAVE." (I mean, anyone who knows me knows I get loud, so you know, sorry about that.)
And she won't. She won't budge. A young woman comes up to me and says "She wants this. Leave her be." looks to her and goes "God bless you. I hope you make it home safe." and I walk away from her astounded.
I have never experienced anything like tonight. To see America rise up for a man who hates so much of it, then for him to get checked so wonderfully by a city I love so much, and then for his followers to scream and cackle to the bitter end.
So many fights were stopped. So many people protected others instead of encouraging mayhem. Don't believe the hype : protestors only stoked a fire in these people that was born long before they had Trump to personify it.
Hate is real my friends. Vicious, hurt you if you aren't watching, worse if they can get away with it indignance was in so many eyes there.
I say that bc know this : hope is real too. Hope that when we stand up against hate from time to time, and collectively, we can defeat it. Or at least silence that beast, for one damn night.
We are at a point in America where those people, Trump supporters, make me sad. But the ones who make me angry? The incredibly intelligent, brightest minds I know, who sit on their hands and do nothing, don't vote, don't volunteer, and pretend as though their knowledge abdicates them from action.
The world is broken, I learned that best from Christianity. But I don't believe even one thing on this Earth is beyond repair, and I learned that from Christianity too.
You don't have to share my belief in Christianity, but I am asking you to stand up against hate. Or this woman's slanted arm never bears a greater weight than her own ignorance. She may never get the shot to understand love, living in the world where that symbol actually rules again.
Don't let that happen. Do something. Please, for the sake of everyone, do something.

Whoa

Great pic. I like the bearded dude who is like what? is? going? on? here?

that's good, thanks

i'm getting the increasing impression that the cops are working for trump. this is a problem.

sounds like a reliable narrator "ma'am please leave this establishment m'lady"

Big hoos hotel vibes strong in this one

I go "Ma'am you are endagering your life doing this. LEAVE. TAKE YOUR HUSBAND AND LEAVE." (I mean, anyone who knows me knows I get loud, so you know, sorry about that.)

...endangering her life?

I read it like, if you are on the losing end of a protest, and both side are pretty riled up, the last thing you want to do a strike a Nazi pose and invite/incite violence.

Xpost I've met or known so many people like that!

hmm the perspective it gives me is that her pose was a response to the counter protesters tearing her sign up, but ymmv

Striking a Nazi pose is nagl ever.

agreed, for sure

No Illinois Nazi jokes?

and yet the left is really running w this Trump = Hitler thing also. to an extent i don't think Republicans even did during the health care debates. you have Sarah Silverman on TV literally dressed up like Hitler.

Like I posted earlier, he is as close to an actual racist fascist candidate we have ever had in my lifetime, and probably since George Wallace. Trump's earned it.

Lots of good pics from the trib from the protests/rally. I'm fascinated by Chicago area Trump supporters. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-fans-and-foes-of-donald-trump-photos-20160311-photogallery.html

Not to judge anyone by their haircut, but this seems about right for a young Trump supporter:

http://www.trbimg.com/img-56e42acc/turbine/chi-ct-trump-postponed3-20160311/1300/1300x731

Trump's earned it.

Trump scares me because the dog whistle he's blowing is meant to attract rabid dogs. His spin on what happened in Chicago last night is... I don't know. Makes my blood run cold.

Phil Anselmo has lost some weight since Dimefest

No Illinois Nazi jokes?

http://40.media.tumblr.com/86e74f61009f2384607aa7480b415f9c/tumblr_mi9qch6Iat1qzymy9o1_1280.jpg

There is a resemblance...

Loser.com

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/12/trump-supporter-who-made-nazi-salute-explains-why-she-made-the-gesture/?smid=tw-share

Yeah, those dumb protesters had no idea who Hitler was, thanks for reminding them, Trump and his supporters. The biggest difference between Hitler and Trump is that Hitler was brought to power and allowed to enact his racist policies. This is our preemptive travel back in time shot to stop Trump from getting anywhere close(r) to that point.

http://www.loser.com

There, that worked.

I feel so much visceral hatred for Trump. I can't bring myself to hate Cruz as much, although I recognize he is a dangerous radical who keeps hateful company. But Trump's campaign is emboldening people who don't even want to pretend to believe in a multiethnic society where politics is about a battle of ideas rather than a battle between different ethnic groups. In his treatment of others he shows that he doesn't feel the need to respect all people, just "his people." He is such a despicable person who seems to stand against everything that is positive about our political tradition.

Realize that's a pointless, redundant post. I just think the naked brutality and vulgarity of his movement is extremely dangerous, especially because it feels transgressive to people who now are going to double down on their hatred of "political correctness" by which they mean basic decency. They've got, like, the taste for blood now.

he must be politic's most brazen liar and obv that has a lot of competition. the trump steaks turning out to have the other butcher's wrapping still on it was breathtaking in its lazy dishonesty.

Completely. Last week some Brits were asking me what would happen if Trump won and I said something like "well I'm familiar with the history of the weimar republic, so"
They just haven't settled on what color shirt they're all going to wear

He seems to think he isn't answerable to any sort of moral standard or authority including the truth. Bc of this he seems like, barely human to me

Would u shoot a baby to keep trump off the throne

he is rich, tbf

Rich people often feel entitled but this "I should be able to lie with impunity" stuff seems extreme even for them

he's also a politician

I get what you are saying, but this feels different. Politicians lie all the time but they usually seem to want to try to hide the fact they're lying. If they're caught they usually seem embarrassed. We've had bad people in office -- worse people than Trump -- but Trump is leading a movement where the only consistent feature is an open disdain for basic values (tolerance, honesty, etc.) The forces he has set in motion lead to a pretty dark place.

To that end I think that what happened here has helped focus opposition, in the sense that people have, ironically, been very tolerant of his bullshit thus far. But no more. Like, it's not just a matter of mobilizing opposition, it's shutting him down, because bullshit like his should not even accidentally be in the serious running. Violence is terrible, but the dickhead has literally been inviting it. If it's going to happen and he wants it to happen, I'd rather it happen on someone else's terms, not his. I hope somewhere in that shame free shell of a man he's been shaken.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/12/say-who-was-that-mysterious-man-behind-hillary-clinton/?smid=tw-share&_r=0

great couple of days for hillary's PR people!

From the east coast, let me say: so proud of Chicago

Hillary is basically committing a stupid error on a daily basis now. It's horrendous to watch.

yeah but #inevitability

A spokeswoman for Mrs. Clinton, Jennifer Palmieri, had a comeback.

“Exactly, he was standing behind her,” Ms. Palmieri said. “She was out in front.”

this is what they've got