Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

agree obv that the imagined paradise of some aristocratic tax exiles has some pretty entrenched right-wing features but then so did the old monarchies, the left has had to fight everywhere is all. xps

the left is not dependent on Bernie, it was there before him, it will be there after him, it is part of him. he is setting an incredible precedent with this run, though, even if he fails spectacularly. i think he has definitely demonstrated some new possibilities and in the future we will have more left-leaning candidates and for that i am thankful. he doesn't even have to win the presidency, he's already done the nation a massive service.

the left gets called young, foolish, lazy, and unrealistic, just as they always have. the same things they said about Occupy Wall Street, they are saying about Sanders supporters now. same old establishment song and dance.

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Looks like @HillaryClinton winning city of Chicago by 10%. Big mistake for @SenSanders to attack @RahmEmanuel.

ah, wonderful

interesting analysis paul begala

wonder what the next Patriot Act is going to look like

Begala is a toad.

Xp building on Adam's post:

One of the most remarkable thing to me about Sanders's run is he flat-out doesn't even bother to, or pretend to, triangulate.

We have become so resigned to that as the default mode of dem prez candidates that it had acquired the character of a natural law.

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adam, surely hillary voters also support both those issues? idk, maybe not weed

fwiw Vermont was the first state to grant full marriage rights to same sex couples in 2000.

So just to clear things up, Kasich win in Ohio means Trump cannot get enough delegates to win the nomination?

Oh god no, he cleared up on the per-district delegates for Missouri and Illinois - I think he's further ahead of his projected path than before.

Also worth pointing out that Kasich staying in as the "Not Trump or Cruz" candidate means Trump's far more likely to clear up the winner-take-all states to come.

How many Hillary supporters are actively involved in politics beyond supporting Hillary? It'd be nice if they'd channel some of that tepid enthusiasm into pushing people to settle downticket.

unfair, sure, but, lol

lol so the Halperin crew thinks Paul Ryan will be the establishment's last choice should a convention need brokering

Van Horn Street pretty much otm imo, but who is surprised by that...

Also, the wars didn't create european socialism, stop talking about countries you know nothing about dlh, oh my god you're so arrogant, you're repellant, worse than hrc, etc, etc, etc. Denmark had it's first soc dem prime minister in 1924. And we weren't in ww1. Succesful labor union politics created danish socialism. And I don't think it's any fault of the american unions that the same didn't happen in the us, Danish right wing politicians didn't sic militias on strikers in dk.

xp Even my mom is talking about Paul Ryan coming in on some kind of parachute.

Apparently the thing that makes some people go for Trump is this idea that he 'can't be bought' but anyone with his money might be in the business of buying people up, right?

last i checked paul ryan was out-shermaning sherman and actually threatening to sue anybody who tried to get him to run for president.

in other news:

"FWIW, Chicago broke its past early voter turnout record, and I've seen the general primary voter turnout in Illinois described as "historic." Like, at least twice that of 2012, maybe more.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, March 16, 2016"

dead chicagoans turning out in droves for this one, eh?

Threadb fredb pls

Any truth to this Sanders-friendly forecasting?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-alan-grayson/democratic-presidential-primary-2_b_9459766.html

Hillary just won a ton of states outside the "Old South" last night

the race is over

love Grayson so much, he could potentially make for the kind of straight-talkin charismatic leftie that could win a general election, when the time is right

even if he fails spectacularly.

Isn't this already impossible? I mean, short of some sort of spectacular personal breakdown which is I suppose not impossible, he's fought a strong campaign, if that doesn't sound too patronizing, doing far better than would have been thought possible for an openly left-socialist candidate.

love Grayson so much, he could potentially make for the kind of straight-talkin charismatic leftie that could win a general election, when the time is right

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, March 16, 2016

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/12/us/politics/alan-graysons-double-life-congressman-and-hedge-fund-manager.html?referer=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FjFp15qqKE6&_r=2

hmm

I liked him too.

he's a world class asshole

So despite an extremely aggressive bunch Sanders of election staff and volunteers here in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, Clinton won the county 62-38. Ouch.

fun nightmare scenario I cooked up yesterday over dinner: in response to threats of violence & other acts of intimidation by organized militiae of Trump supporters (* possibly including false-flag operations, planted by the Republican party's terrified mainstream in its death throes? "to the last I grapple with thee, from Hell's heart," etc), President Obama goes on TV to announce that the election will be postponed in the interest of 'national security,' leading to open rioting, lots of bluster, & at least one attempted coup before Hillary Clinton is able to take the reins of power as O's handpicked successor

nobody is going to postpone the election

I know dude it was a goofy nightmare scenario jeeze lay off

... basically what I'm saying is, our window of time to find a producer for this screenplay is extremely limited

Oh god no, he cleared up on the per-district delegates for Missouri and Illinois - I think he's further ahead of his projected path than before.

no, he's now just behind: http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/

the fact that everyone is behind their targets is why they is a non-negligible chance of a contested convention. but that depends on the other two candidates not dropping out and remaining viable at the polls.

I loooove 538's illustrations of the GOP candidates.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/images/trump-full.pnghttp://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/images/cruz-full.pnghttp://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/images/kasich-full.pnghttp://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/images/rubio-full.png

grayson is fucking irritating

Don't think I've ever seen cruz without him mouth open before.

yes he's irritating and jerky but he's OUR irritating jerk
xpost

The CNN anchor, going over demographics from last night, described the upcoming Trump-Clinton election as "Angry white voters against...pretty much everyone else." The ellipsis represents a discernible pause.

xpost Ha, this season is totally like a band struggling in the studio with the tour dates already booked, or a movie scrambling with rewrites and reshoots with opening day locked in.

Whoever ends up president, they'll be lots of lore for years. "Oh, you should have seen the first draft." "I heard the demos, they were great, they just got overproduced." "The director's cut was awesome before the studio took it away from them and recut it."

"There'll be," sorry.

We'll all be sorry.

Cruz looks like LBJ and Pat Buchanan melted together in that illustration (and perhaps irl?).

Hillary just won a ton of states outside the "Old South" last night

The Grayson piece seems optimistic to me too but Ohio is the only non-Southern state that she won decisively last night. IL and MO were virtually tied in delegate count. I would think that Sanders definitely needs to do better than tie states, though, considering that NY is very likely to go to HRC.

FL + OH are the two biggest swing states in a general election, so the "she only succeeds in republican states" is a misrepresentation

she has a substantial delegate lead at this point, and since democrats don't have winner-take-all primaries, sanders would have to score a series of big victories - not just surprisingly squeaking by to a victory like in Michigan - in order to make it up before the convention.

Marco Rubio ends bid for president: 'It was not God's plan for me to win’

Cruel God! - why didn't he tell Marco months ago?... think of the money he would have saved...

Getting faced by god like that gotta make a man question his faith.

"It wasn't God's plan for me to win" sounds like a country song.

I've never understood this tack of "Hillary can't win because her strength is in Republican states where Dems won't win anyway." You could say the same thing about Sanders winning in states where Democrats ARE going to win anyway. The relevant question is who's going to win the swing states: Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa,.... I think Clinton looks strong in those states, especially the biggest ones.

There's a more nuanced version of the argument that's more compellling -- that Clinton is doing better in closed-primary states, where independents (who favor Sanders, and who matter in the general) are excluded. But not as many people are making that argument.

I'm really mad at a friend who just had to renew their drivers license recently and switched their voter registration to Independent while doing so. "I wanted to be more honest about my political beliefs. I
m a little bummed I won't get to vote for Bernie." That's understandable, but couldn't you have waited until after the primaries? Or just carried on as a Dem for another 8 years and no one would even give a shit?

Pardon me, I'm having a private message Facebook brawl with a good friend who called Sanders a Jacobin and a crazy man yelling in the streets and has posted reams of link showing how trade deals have actually been good for forcing Columbia and Mexico to care about the environment.

eephus, people certainly made that argument in 2008, i.e., that Clinton won more Democrats (and Dem-stronghold states) than Obama.