Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

i grant that bernie supporters need a few more days to mourn but [as per my fb feed] if they continue threatening to vote for trump, or making up new mathematical models to demonstrate that bernie is sure to be the nominee, or swearing to sit out the election bc of their disappointment, as opposed to actually finding candidates that can still win and putting all their energy behind them, i'm giving up on the american left as ever amounting to anything but a bunch of babies.

dems shouldn't have run Bush 3.0

Please don't go Mordy

leave Obama out of this

there is no American Left; fuck voting for a fascist or a militarist, piss on em hard

state and local seems to be successful. the left has made a lot of progress on social issues. look at gay marriage and medical marijuana. in 2000 Vermont was the first state to grant those rights. we've all heard the argument that Vermont is crazy liberal town and nothing coming from there could play on the national stage yet here we are 16 years later and all 50 states have it, with a majority opinion written by a SC justice appointed by Ronald Reagan no less.

if your definition of left success depends wholly on the election of a single person on the national stage you are setting yourself up for disappointment.

those rights i meant same sex marriage in particular there

The left is winning the culture wars but not the economic wars.

i grant that bernie supporters need a few more days to mourn but [as per my fb feed] if they continue threatening to vote for trump, or making up new mathematical models to demonstrate that bernie is sure to be the nominee, or swearing to sit out the election bc of their disappointment, as opposed to actually finding candidates that can still win and putting all their energy behind them, i'm giving up on the american left as ever amounting to anything but a bunch of babies.

― Mordy, Wednesday, March 16, 2016 12:08 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The problem is that the people you describe are not the American left but are indeed still a bunch of babies.

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but anyone actually saying 'well, if not Bernie then Trump' is functioning on roughly a third-grade level and should be, I dunno...chemically castrated, maybe? Is that going too far?

also fuck the unanimous "it's over" shit. This is why ppl won't fucking vote in the remaining primaries.

Looking fwd to casting my 'meaningless' Sanders vote on April 19. It will become extra meaningless the second he endorses HRH; hoping he doesn't.

"Well, if I don't get that job I wanted, maybe I'll just feed my left arm to a dog. Same difference."

seeing a lot of people post this today.... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-alan-grayson/democratic-presidential-primary-2_b_9459766.html
not realistic but i hope bernie stays in until it's mathematically impossible for him to win...

alan grayson is a dipshit and (as noted upthread) an asshole

i'm pro-legal-weed but it's hard for me to see it as a left issue when it means potentially gargantuan new private profits from a new and lucrative industry, and when the ban and cultural stigma it's chipping away at doesn't really make any 2016 political sense at all (unless trump starts talking tomorrow about mariowhanna-crazed mexican rapists/axe-murderers, which i guess is within possibility) (and unless you frame legalization as a blow against big pharma, which i think big pharma will recover from) -- i mean, was the repeal of prohibition a leftist victory? prohibition itself was arguably closer.

trump's gonna pick up a bunch of conveniently angry, conveniently unblack bernie voters but i'd hardly call those people the american left. (i bet they're pro-legal-weed tho.)

Trump said Wednesday that a contested GOP convention could be a disaster if he goes to Cleveland a few delegates shy of 1,237 — and doesn’t leave as the party’s nominee.

“I think you’d have riots,” Trump said on CNN.

Noting that he’s “representing many millions of people,” he told Chris Cuomo: “If you disenfranchise those people, and you say, ‘I’m sorry, you’re 100 votes short’…I think you’d have problems like you’ve never seen before. I think bad things would happen.”

O RLY

Mordy just being an idiot

weed one of those issues that gets confusing through a left-right lens because of the american right's weird sensual race-haunted exceptions to their ideas of Freedom

"as opposed to actually finding candidates that can still win and putting all their energy behind them"

This is spectactular horseshit, of course.

how so? bc it seems like you can continue to phonebank and send money to bernie or you can pivot to other races that you can still win but there's zero sum in terms of dollars + focus here.

umm... weed should first and foremost be treated as an issue of social justice, both on the racial disparity/criminal justice reform side and affordable use medicinally vs opioid painkillers/etc.

the reasoning to keep campaigning for bernie if he can't win doesn't make a ton of sense. i've heard this idea that the longer he campaigns the more it keeps hillary from pivoting to the center but if you think she's just waiting for bernie to dropout before she sells out the left then what difference does it make if she starts selling them out now or in july.

otoh Bernie was never going to win so why campaign for him at all by that token?

Naturally, this "I think you'd have riots" bullshit is Trump yet again giving his barely-retrained hordes his tacit approval to do just that when the time comes.

'restrained'

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

otoh Bernie was never going to win so why campaign for him at all by that token?

only in hindsight was he never going to win - there were a few times during the campaign that i felt he had a shot, even a longshot.

That's a strawman, that Bernie supporters aren't already involved in those other races, nor is it a universal that "other races you can still win" even exist.

Bernie dropping out would mean "pivoting" to Hillary and you can't get people excited to vote, much less volunteer, playing purely on fear. That's the horseshit I'm referring to, just like it was in 2000. That's been the point of the entire primary campaign - Hillary represents a holding action against the crazies on the right, which is a fine reason for her to be President instead of Trump or Cruz, but not something that all that many people find inspirational.

xxxxxp there

your premise is dumb. pivoting to down ticket races doesn't necessitate campaigning for hillary.

As an upper middle-class black man, it's pretty fucking inspirational to me.

let's not even get into what supporters are saying about constituencies that broke big for hill

it's a special kind of hindsight where you know what happens in the future (DNC) and forecast that hindsight to the past (the present).

your premise is dumb. pivoting to down ticket races doesn't necessitate campaigning for hillary.

ugh @ that anti-hillary trumpstagram. this'll be unpleasant.

it's a special kind of hindsight where you know what happens in the future (DNC) and forecast that hindsight to the past (the present).

just keep unskewing those polls, adam

polls are for failed astrologers

Pardon me, I'm having a private message Facebook brawl with a good friend who called Sanders a Jacobin and a crazy man yelling in the streets and has posted reams of link showing how trade deals have actually been good for forcing Columbia and Mexico to care about the environment.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, March 16, 2016 11:25 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You are facebook friends with Paul Krugman?

My bright side takeaway from Bernie's candicacy is that a professed socialist was able to get as far as he did on his platform. I'm sure we will see future candidates for all different offices picking up that torch now that they see that there's a demand.

there was a WaPo piece awhile back about the poor coordination/prospects of Bernie-associated candidates in downticket races, but yeah it would be good if the energy behind his campaign was directed there.

I'm 100% okay with losing Bernie staying in it as long as possible. JiG otm. Bernie's campaign is performative, it does things. He gets people registered, he gets people stoked up about socialist policy state by state, he gets words into the conversation, and afaict a donation to his campaign has a good chance of either paying an intern for a few hours' work, or producing really really nice ads about issues/constituencies that deserve an airing. The benefits of those will not vanish instantly and imho they feed directly into the kind of medium-turn Left-building some folks are worried about (or in some cases, not necessariily on this board, concern-trolling about).

hillary from pivoting to the center

you mean from the 'left'? haha, tell me another dad.

pivoting = telling different lies

do you ever smile?

just wondering

even when i agree with you, which is actually quite often, you come across as a horrible scold

maybe ILX is cathartic for you and when you're offline you're working on expanding your collection of vintage chinoiserie

I would think it takes a tremendous amount of energy to be that hysterically angry all the time, but maybe it's just the flipside of slurping down all that gloopy Spielberg chum

also chemo and a shitty employer-mandated healthcare plan

Chemo makes a man mean. It's poison in the veins.

I don't recall you being all sunshine and lollipops pre-chemo

http://st.gde-fon.com/wallpapers_original/366408_art_paren_volosy_kimono_busy_businy_1680x1050_www.Gde-Fon.com.jpg

Morbs in kimono circa 1994

ignore these trolls Morbz. keep fighting the good fight

i don't really mind the misanthropy, just wish it came packaged w/ more ideas than a bitter junior high anarchist