Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

he doesn't have to run it, tho.

who beyond the youngest and most naive expected him to?

Sarah Silverman?

paul begala was shat upon earlier today but I saw something yesterday that made me lol

on cnn after rubio drops out begala basically accuses rubio of being the john edwards of 2016 and the panel reacted like he farted in church. is it really that bad of a comparison? seems apt to me.

he doesn't seem to really know how to engineer this "revolution" that he claims is necessary

he's not engineering it, he is one of the voices of it. it's part of his success.

it's not like all the leftists in the country are going to vanish when he doesn't get to be president.

the dude from Grizzly Bear

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it's not like all the leftists in the country are going to vanish when he doesn't get to be president.

they sure seem to mysteriously vanish during mid-terms

I hate to break it to you guys that revolutions require infrastructures, resources, coordination, funding, goals ie all the things the American left has been shitty at for like 40 years now. if you see Bernie as little more than a figurehead that's all well and good but who's taking care of this other stuff?

the best organized/most effective leftist political organization in recent years is quite clearly Black Lives Matter, and Bernie obviously hasn't done too great a job at reaching their base.

lol they reached him first.

thanks for telling us what a revolution requires. Bernie should put those on his revolution checklist.

"he's not a party tactician like Dean turned out to be"

was Dean effective as DNC head when he took over? I think so, but I'm not sure. I honestly can't remember anymore.

they definitely confronted him and I think he did an okay job at absorbing their criticism (and spokespeople) but it's pretty obvious the black votes are not going to Bernie. I wouldn't put that all down to BLM or anything but black communities are not rallying around Bernie, as has been discussed here at great length (hi Frederik, no need to chime in here btw)

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kind of amazing Bernie was a successful 2-term mayor of Burlington while completely ignoring infrastructure, resources, coordination, funding, and goals

Dean's 50-state strategy was absolutely successful in 2006 and 2008.

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I'm sorry was there some sort of revolution that took place in Burlington, I missed it

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fundamentally changing national political power structures is sort of different from being a mayor, idg where you're going there (as usual)

adam r u 4 real

lol sorry k3vin

fundamentally changing national political power structures

lol are u guys for real. it's all-or-nothing with you isn't it?

ok Shakey is an Occupy-denier aqs well

anything so they get to handwave

kind of amazing Bernie was a successful 2-term mayor of Burlington while completely ignoring infrastructure, resources, coordination, funding, and goals

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, March 16, 2016 4:28 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmao have u been to burlington dude

there are 42,000 people in burlington

i have been to burlington. pretty awesome place. if my city had air that fresh i would love it.

a busy lefty like Big HOOS will save us bcz he stays off these idiotic threads?

Occupy was a promising but ultimately disappointing exercise

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I will happily review a list of Occupy's accomplishments if anyone has one

"on cnn after rubio drops out begala basically accuses rubio of being the john edwards of 2016 and the panel reacted like he farted in church. is it really that bad of a comparison? seems apt to me."

Unless there is a Rubio sex scandal I'm not aware of I'd say that comparison is kinda strange.

brought inequality into the national discussion

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I don't know if BLM would have been as organized and successful as it has been without Occupy reigniting people's interest in wide-scale grassroots activism.

nearly made Wall Street scumfucks shit their pants for a year

yes Occupy helped built up some of that left infrastructure

I will happily review a list of Occupy's accomplishments if anyone has one

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, March 16, 2016 4:39 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is just off the top of my head but a recent presidential primary has been driven to a substantial degree by young, engaged voters fired up about the issue of income inequality, the wall street bailout, and policies that revolve around taxing wall street to redress economic-justice issues. others may be able to add to this list though.

basically what y'all said

helped Greater NYC significantly post-Sandy when FEMA was paralyzed

I haven't read about any connections between BLM and Occupy, would be interested to see more on that. I think BLM benefits from v clear goals and v specific incidents to rally around, which Occupy lacked.

2008 Bailout yo

v clear goals ... which Occupy lacked

sudden wave of nostalgia

flopson we have another hawaii correspondent but she only posts in the wwe thread

not reallly sure the wall street scumfucks really shit their pants over anything

It seems kinda weird to count a failed primary challenge as a success for Occupy. To me, anyway. I know issues have to be raised in a national dialogue before they can be addressed in a concrete way, but it's really the latter that matters most, and frankly income inequality is not being addressed legislatively and I'm not convinced that all this increased dialogue is going to amount to much without, y'know, winning elections. Which goes back to my point about the necessity of infrastructures etc. to achieve down-ballot election victories, mount successful primary challenges, get bills introduced and passed. The actual mechanics of politics.

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not reallly sure the wall street scumfucks really shit their pants over anything

I saw the fear in those pricks' eyes at their windows as we were marching.

like if you guys think Occupy, and by extension Bernie's candidacy, is going to push Hillary's legislative priorities to the left to address income inequality... man, idk. I wouldn't bet on it. It's possible.

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not reallly sure the wall street scumfucks really shit their pants over anything

there's a prostitution joke lurking here but it feels really dickish to make it

her rhetoric will probably tack that way in the general, but I wouldn't be super-confident that that will be backed up by action

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Again, I do agree it's all going nowhere and things will only change, and for the worse, when the Extinction Event comes full-bore.

was deblasio a product of occupy?

oh nothing is going to push Hillary to the left. she already voted for the Iraq War, The Patriot Act, and the bailout, she's pretty much a lost cause.