Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

play fuckin loud xp

When Trump started in on Cruz's citizenship, McCain made it clear he (improbably, after the POW stuff) loathes Cruz even more than Trump--he publically sided with Trump.

i could also see one or two elected officials changing their party affiliation to "Independent" although obviously there are very, very few if any Jim Jeffordses still hanging around this party.

there's two separate questions though really, which is: will 'the establishment' take available measures to try and keep trump from getting the nomination, and will it back trump as nominee if he gets it. the latter seems like, yeah, most of them probably will for a variety of reasons. technocratic and business types (your jebs and bloombergs) will sit it out or vote for hillary but probably not campaign for her.

WAIT. I seriously thought this was a joke at first, but these are legitimate Trump quotes?!?

“I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things."

“My primary consultant is myself and I have — you know, I have a good instinct for this stuff.”

It's not shocking that he says these things because there are a lot of stupid people in the world and he's most definitely one of them. What's shocking is he says these things and no one laughs in his face and tells him to just shut the fuck up already. What a ludicrous garbage person who is completely unworthy of respect or being taken at all seriously.

yes, if this election cycle has proven anything it's that there are far more idiots in america than i had previously imagined. even the intelligent glosses of trump's appeal by the likes of matt taibbi and thomas frank can't gloss over this fact.

left-wing folks like me have said that the GOP was essentially an authoritarian party for a while, they're just proving us right these days. not that i get any satisfaction out of it.

haha I don't think Taibbi has once glossed over that fact

right, but he's explained the various reasons why people support him under than "dur, dur, dur"

but "dur, dur, dur" is a big part of it; it's not as if people have come to a rational decision that electing trump will improve their lot in life

(well, i guess it might improve their self-image, if rejecting the "other" has that effect)

will 'the establishment' take available measures to try and keep trump from getting the nomination

They might, but I agree with the one CNN guy tonight: there is no conceivable scenario under which the Republicans get a two-person election with Clinton against a not-Trump. It's either Trump or Trump runs independently.

also:

in college, i took a seminar on right-wing movements in american history (starting post-civil war but largely focusing on 20th century).

one day we did a thought experiment: if somehow a fascist gov't or fascist puppet gov't were to have come to power in the 1930s/early 1940s, which folks would fall in line support it, and which would speak out against it? father coughlin? charles lindbergh? herbert hoover? etc.

i feel like this is that thought experiment come true. we're witnessing how seriously that various "mainstream" "conservative" politicians take their stated (or presumed) commitment to deliberative democracy and civil discourse. the results are pretty grim.

i always expected that the likes of sarah palin would be fifth columnists. wasn't so sure about newt gingrich, paul ryan, and so forth.

xpost well, maybe, but the counterargument would be: lose with trump or lose with a republican that doesn't just totally trash (what's left of) the brand name?

Its too late for trump to run third party in a bunch of states, isnt it?

Hadn't thought about that, you might be right. One thing I don't think will matter a bit is all these pledges of support the two sides have taken at various points. Anyone will turn on anyone at a moment's notice, and rationalizing it will be easy. Trump can go right back to his initial pledge, that he'll support a nominee other than himself provided he's not "treated unfairly"--lots of wiggle room there.

why is kasich not attending the debate after trump cancelled? it would just be him and cruz. surely that would be good for him?

I like this photo from the New Republic:

http://i1059.photobucket.com/albums/t427/sayhey1/cruz_zpsnayqcluz.jpeg

Lots of folks say lots of things that probably they don’t mean

I keep hearing this again and again re: Trump, from supporters, from GOP folks, from commentators. Like, why wouldn't he say what he means? He's not promising some incremental shit he can sweep under the rug. And like Chait noted in one of those columns, Trump's been praising totalitarian action since Tiananmen Square. He's been pretty consistent. Which, of course, is why all the pollsters say he's getting a lot of his support. Evangelicals, rich people, poor people, dumbasses - the one trait his people apparently all have in common is a love of authoritarianism.

it's that probably that's sublime

@mtaibbi
Trump will name himself to all cabinet posts. He'll jump back and forth between chairs a la Woody Allen in "Bananas"

Donald Trump winning the US presidency is considered one of the top 10 risks facing the world, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit.

He is rated as riskier than Britain leaving the European Union or an armed clash in the South China Sea.

It's a start, but he won't stop until he's number one. Number one!
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2016/02/09/us/09live-trumpfoam/09live-trumpfoam-tmagArticle.jpg

One for the history books: the exact moment Trump's presidential run was conceived.
http://media.gq.com/photos/56e981824b58804e5e741151/master/w_800/Trump-Friends-Andy-Warhol.jpg

By the way, some of the comments on the PBS site with the white power woman phone banking are great, including the woman's defense and PBS's added disclaimer:

Editor’s Note: At several times during this campaign the NewsHour has featured video packages of voices of voters, profiling different families and their views on the candidates and how they have arrived at them. These reports have been presented without reporters’ narration. It is true that this storytelling style requires the audience to draw its own conclusions about what they see and hear, but we believe the audience is able to do so.

In this case, a debate about Grace Tilly’s tattoos has started online. As you can see in the comments section posted with this story, Ms. Tilly argues that these tattoos are not representative of neo-Nazi positions but are connected to her family’s Celtic religious beliefs. That is what she told our producers as well. Others among our online commenters vehemently disagree.

First comment:

Well, let’s see here…

Wife Grace Tilly has the “Odin’s Cross” tattoo on the back of one hand, which is one of, if not, THE most common symbol used by white supremacists / white nationalists, Aryans, etc. (it’s used as the logo for “Stormfront.org, incorporating the slogan “white pride world wide”) … but she insists there is no racist implication…

Grace has the “88” tattoo (in that familiar Germanic lettering style) on the back of the other hand, which is commonly used by white supremacists / white nationalists / Aryans, etc. to signify “HH – Heil Hitler” … but she insists there is no racist implication…

Grace has a fascination / devotion to Odinism / Asatru which has been heavily co-opted within white supremacist / white nationalist / Aryan, etc. organizations … but she insists there is no racist implication…

Husband Farron Tilly has a tattoo on his left arm incorporating a German “Iron Cross” and an eagle’s head, common symbols used by white supremacist / white nationalist / Aryan, etc. organizations … but she insists there is no racist implication…

Just coincidences … or something?

Well, how ‘bout this one:

Husband Farron Tilly’s facebook page lists “White Nationalism” under “Interests”

Perhaps we can get another Trump-style denial on that point, too…?

Second comment:

The photo of the two of them (Grace & Farron) on her FB page shows him in a confederate flag hat. What a pair of "winners" - bet the want their country back too. Just ask them! Oh, and BTW: there's a photo of an American Flag on Farron's Facebook page, except the stars are swatikas. This whole family is lying confederate trash.

Third comment:

She has another FB. Apparently she's likes David Lane (renowned white supremacist):
https://www.facebook.com/grace...

Later:

Additionally, on his YouTube profile, Farron Tilly created a playlist titled "WhitePrideIsAllright." It consists of 23 hours of audio of the book Nature's Eternal Religion, the scripture of the white supremacist Creativity church.

And another:

Google + shows a video entitled "Dixie Rockin' this place' https://plus.google.com/107541...

They named their kid...DIXIE. But no worries, they're just the nicest people with no ties to white supremacist groups. At all.

If it looks like a white supremacist, and it walks like a white supremacist, quacks like a white supremacist...

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/all-in-for-trump-inside-a-north-carolina-military-familys-gop-politics/

xp George Harrison's looked happier.

What's Celtic about Odin?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdwPwP1WwAAW3C3.jpg

and i have the mumps

If it looks like a white supremacist, and it walks like a white supremacist, quacks like a white supremacist...

...it probably doesn't actually mean what it's quacking?

wow someone named Dixie AND they have Celtic tattoos? hopefully they don't own any incriminating Lynyrd Skynyrd albums.

Hopefully nobody does.

weird, I'm seeing all sorts of pagan Celtic symbols popping up everywhere today.

ha, Happy White Pride Day everyone. Jump around! Jump around!

I like Skynyrd. Hopefully my lack of white power tattoos will help be avoid getting confusing for a white supremacist!

This was her defense in the comments:
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--0DkIywuB--/tjpruyrx4xoqt6pigeyx.png

She doesn't defend, as far as I can tell, the 88 on her other hand. Or all those other direct connections to white power groups/beliefs.

Maybe she's a pianist!

keeps to the white keys..

Big fan of Hubert Humphrey?

“I’m speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I’ve said a lot of things."

There's a reason why Tim Heidecker sites Trump as his direct inspiration for the mannerisms, expressions, and speech of his character Decker.

point taken btw that given the outlandish depths that Trump is willing to plumb, citations to show quotes are true and not hyperbole are likely appropriate from here on out.
"I have a good brain and I've said lots of things"! On live television! He's the front-runner! And it's already forgotten!

Clearly a big fan of NASCAR driver Dale Earnhardt Junior:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3172/2337700430_99040abf20_z.jpg

Charles Blow:

Clinton’s coverage on television has dwarfed Sanders’s. As a New York Times Upshot report this week pointed out, Clinton has received more than twice the “news and commentary” about her campaign “on television, in newspapers and magazines, and on social media” as Sanders has....

There appear to be two parallel universes of Democratic voters this season — one disproportionately older, the other disproportionately younger — whose habits make them almost invisible to each other.

Clinton’s voters may be less likely to show up to rallies, or post on social media or be serial commenters who commandeer comments sections, but they do show up to vote. But these are the same voters who are less likely to hear much news about Sanders.

In a February Pew Research Center survey, a plurality of people 18 to 29 years old said that the social media was their most helpful source for learning about the 2016 presidential election. A plurality of those 30 and over cited cable news as the primary source. Network news was the second most popular source for those 65 and older.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/17/opinion/campaign-stops/a-bernie-blackout.html

apparently last night none of the networks showed his speech but instead focused on an empty shot of Donald Trump's stage

There's a reason why Tim Heidecker sites Trump as his direct inspiration for the mannerisms, expressions, and speech of his character Decker.

holy shit, now I have to watch every episode of Decker again

https://www.boombox.com/c/quiz/189680/who-said-it-a-donald-trump-staffer-or-a-manson-family-member

wow someone named Dixie AND they have Celtic tattoos? hopefully they don't own any incriminating Lynyrd Skynyrd albums.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau)

FP feels so good

i saw someone w a Chinese symbol earlier today, do you think he could secretly be a communist?

Are you joking?

reading through first thread, doctor casino with the first otm prognostication. although not sure if 'hilarious' ended up being the right word

trump beating j.e. bush maybe the most interesting thing long term. would be hilarious if he became the horse to beat and the whole primary process becomes an "anyone but trump" saga.
― a chamillionaire full of mallomars (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, July 1, 2015 3:41 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so glad Adam is here to defend the good names of white nationalist Trumplers

a simpler time

Surprised to see Trump implode so quickly--so immediately. I was looking forward to him gumming up all the debates, but--and maybe I'm completely wrong here--I don't think he'll get anywhere near them after the last few days. In any event, enjoying his ordeal thoroughly.
― clemenza, Wednesday, July 1, 2015 5:57 PM (8 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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