Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

lol, perfect.

AIPAC rebukes Trump for anti-Obama comments

Die-hard Cruz supporter and media icon Glenn Beck, who the website LDS Living calls "one of the most influential Mormons in the media today," invoked a Mormon end times prophecy at a rally in the city of Provo.

"Like many Mormons, I believe in a prophecy that the Constitution will one day hang by a thread in the last days. I believe that time is now, and I believe people like (Utah Sen.) Mike Lee and Ted Cruz will save it," Beck said.

The Christian website Charisma News, where Cruz and his campaign leadership have published articles, wrote that Beck's comments were a reference to the Mormon "White Horse" prophecy, suggesting that Cruz could be the horse.

In 1902, Mormon Elder John Roberts wrote in his journal that the prophet Joseph Smith had said, "You must continue to petition Congress all the time, but they will treat you like strangers and aliens and they will not give you your rights, but will govern you with strangers and commissioners. You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed. It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber."

"It will be preserved and saved by the efforts of the White Horse," wrote Roberts, who went on to predict that "a terrible revolution will take place in the land of America" in which "the most terrible scenes of bloodshed, murder and rape that have ever been imagined or looked upon will take place."

cool story Mormons

lmao

They tried that one when Romney ran, IIRC.

put the white horse in the white house

https://media.giphy.com/media/Dxb9vPUbXyYX6/giphy.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwATF5dnfq4

If you want to ride, don't ride that White Horse.

Not over yet: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/bernie-sanders-fundraising-hillary-clinton-221024

Additionally, the filing showed that the Sanders campaign spent $620 on Chick-Fil-A.

lol

bernie won democrats abroad today

bernie supporting anti-LGBT chicken

My daughter's school is in the bluest of areas, like mega liberal territory. For some reason the PTA keeps catering events with Chik-Fil-A. I don't know whether it's political cluelessness, a deliberate sabotage operation from a closet social conservative on the board, or just a preference for a certain type of chicken sandwich that is strong enough to overrule all principles.

Knowing that Sanders's campaign is also impure in its social justice-oriented spending is actually kind of a relief.

Though I should say that SANDERS does suggest another chicken provider, iykwimaityd.

when youre on the road, sometimes shit is all there is.

from Bern email:

"Here’s why this result is important: we netted more delegates from the Democrats Abroad voting than Hillary Clinton netted with her narrow victories in Illinois, Massachusetts, and Missouri combined."

true?

probably; those 3 were virtual ties

A friend is circulating an apparently real fundraising effort from Camp Clinton dangling dinner and champaign with Hillary at George Clooney's house to the top bidder.

Barf.

Delegates Abroad:

Sanders - 9
Clinton - 4

+5 Sanders

IL, MA, MO combined:

Sanders - 76 + 45 + 35 = 156
Clinton - 78 + 46 + 36 = 160

+4 Clinton

In 1902, Mormon Elder John Roberts wrote in his journal that the prophet Joseph Smith had said, "You must continue to petition Congress all the time, but they will treat you like strangers and aliens and they will not give you your rights, but will govern you with strangers and commissioners. You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed. It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber."

"It will be preserved and saved by the efforts of the White Horse," wrote Roberts, who went on to predict that "a terrible revolution will take place in the land of America" in which "the most terrible scenes of bloodshed, murder and rape that have ever been imagined or looked upon will take place."

Joseph Smith ran for president in 1844

"Wow! So, if I'm the highest bidder I'll get to have dinner with George Clooney!"

"No, dinner with Hillary at George Clooney's house."

Currently pledged delegates (without superdelegates, since that makes people angry):

Sanders - 850
Clinton - 1174

2383 delegates are needed to win.

She had some really crushing victories in the south.

I don't understand what "delegates abroad" is, because I was sent an absentee ballot for the last state I lived in, and I thought it was to be counted for that state, not for some other category.

(actually I neglected to vote because I don't care who wins the primary but I'll vote in the general)

hm I wonder who the superdelegates are gonna break for

xp

Sanders: 27
Clinton : 482

(because sometimes I like making people angry)

tbh I don't see why it makes a difference which animal-slaughtering company they get a catered meal from

some people like their animal cruelty with less homophobia

Sanders: 27
Clinton : 482

(because sometimes I like making people angry)

― i like to trump and i am crazy (DJP), Tuesday, March 22, 2016 1:44 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

superdelegate count kind of meaningless at this point since they're not bound. though obviously the only reason they'd start to switch for Bernie is if he somehow runs up huge margins from here on out, which is unlikely

when clinton gets up to around 1700 pledged delegates, though, you'll probably start seeing stories about how she's essentially secured the nomination which take the superdelegates into account

bernie supporting anti-LGBT chicken

― akm, Tuesday, March 22, 2016 1:20 PM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i kind of wish it was clinton instead w/ the chik-fil-a bill bc my FB feed would've ripped her apart on this

Ted Cruz: "“We need to immediately halt the flow of refugees from countries with a significant al Qaida or ISIS presence. We need to empower law enforcement to patrol and secure Muslim neighborhoods before they become radicalized.
"

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/us-candidates-responses-brussels-terrorism-speak-volumes?cid=sm_fb_maddow

praying for God Almighty to come down and give Ted Cruz the biggest baddest swirlie this world has ever known

shoutout to the radicalized Christian communities that support Ted Cruz

this has probably been posted but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FrNyTvOZDY

apparently 3 LDS missionaries from utah were injured in the brussels attack. 538 claims that concern/anxiety re terrorism tends to favor trump - i wonder if this'll help him close the gap a little in utah.

i would guess that any major act of terrorism, in the US or abroad, benefits trump, at least among republican voters.

why would anyone anywhere think trump would be a good counter to terrorism

the guy is not fucking jack bauer or james bond

because he's doubling down on his calls to torture people and the republican base loves that

Remember when we were torturing people and terrorism ended? People want a return to those halcyon days.

i don't think most people understand the motivations behind terrorism, which means they have weird notions about what can be done to fight against it. enter trump

i think that when faced with complex upsetting problems ppl often want simple, decisive answers. even if those answers are dumb (register all muslims, ban all muslims from coming to the US, torture suspects for information, kill terrorist families, wipe out isis) they satisfy the need to /do something/. by contrast the answer that there's nothing really we can do and these things will probably continue to happen is v unsatisfying.

there's also a great contrast between the simplicity of trump's response to terrorism - close the borders, torture people - compared to what people on the left advise - see this from john judis, for example, which ends like this:

Not doing anything – withdrawing collectively from the Middle East and waiting for these conflicts to play out won’t work. That would mean decades of continued strife and continued acts of terror. Half-measures like the Obama administration has attempted in Syria won’t work. What’s needed is the most comprehensive plan for the Middle East – one that tries to undo the past.

After 9/11, I put this in terms of waging war and peace at the same time – war against al Qaeda and peace in the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians – but since then, the problem has vastly deepened and broadened. Borders created by the Europeans after World War I are being destroyed. Age-old religious and tribal conflicts have revived. Nothing less that the kind of concerted plan – on the model of Bush I’s coalition in the first Gulf War – would suffice to tamp down and began to resolve the conflicts in that region.

But I can’t see anything like that in sight. The EU is divided, and the American and European public understandably has no appetite for a more concerted intervention – one that would not only have to shake up older alliances, but also involve the military. And it’s a plan that even if fully implemented still might fail miserably. Think of the West in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda’s original strategy, which ISIS has carried forward, may have actually succeeded. I am pessimistic that any resolution will come out of this terrorist attack, except perhaps for a continued movement to the populist right in northern Europe and a boost for Donald Trump.

i think a lot of people crave the simplicity of closing border and bombing and winning. that's why trump gets a boost, as Judis says

oops, xpost, but yeah, mordy and i making the same point

when action is ambiguous or counterproductive, bellowing will do.

Fred Hiatt sounded as much of a dingbat as Trump did in that WaPo interview.

Sanders' speech vid here

In a speech from Salt Lake City, which had been offered to telecast to AIPAC — an offer that was denied — the Vermont senator reiterated his support for Israel’s security. He also insisted that “peace also means security for every Palestinian. It means achieving self-determination, civil rights, and economic well-being for the Palestinian people.”

Sanders called it “absurd” for Israel to pursue more settlements in response to violence. “Peace will also mean ending the economic blockade of Gaza,” he said. “And it will mean a sustainable and equitable distribution of precious water resources so that Israel and Palestine can both thrive as neighbors.”

While objecting to rocket attacks by Hamas, he also reiterated that he “condemned the [Israeli] bombing of hospitals, schools and refugee camps.” He insisted that while Israel is a friend to the United States, “as friends, we are obligated to speak the truth as we see it. This is what real friendship demands, especially in difficult times.”

https://theintercept.com/2016/03/22/bernie-sanders-spoke-up-for-suffering-palestinians-but-few-in-broadcast-media-covered-it/

what's interesting about trump pronouncements are that he appears to be unwilling or unable to speak in formal english or even in semi-educated language. Like, try reading this in trumpvoice

The EU is divided, and the American and European public understandably has no appetite for a more concerted intervention

The EU is divided, and the American and European public understandably has no appetite for a more concerted intervention. Sad!

there I did it

i'm good until i get to "concerted intervention" and i can't pretend anymore