Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

why are people reading greil marcus on the presidential election anyway? i wouldn't read charlies pierce on the latest postpunk throwback girl band from the pacific northwest.

if i recall the last time charles pierce wrote about music it was to complain that country music just ain't what it used to be

Maybe someone else would be kind enough to field that very strange question.

That Charles Pierce article btw: http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a19774/affordable-care-act-country-music-awards-110713/

GOP establishment's gonna get behind Trump for the most part, and then the party's gonna get crushed in the election, and the war between the rank and file and the "establishment" will revert to prior status - the establishment saying "see? we told you he was a loser!" and the base saying "you sold us out!" Rinse and repeat

Way late, but fwiw I think this is right. Tru-con Cruzophiles are going to say "you should have gone with the real deal conservative, not the ersatz latecomer with the ridiculous hair, who only speaks conservatism as a second language." Trumpers are going to say, "Trump would have won if you tru-cons hadn't thrown a snit fit and sabotaged him because he was insufficiently establishment-friendly." Rinse and repeat for basically ever as the grecian entity says.

One might have have preferred the Cruz v. Sanders election, both for its clarifying fire, and to put at least some woulda-coulda arguments out of business, but it's doubtful that will happen at this point.

It's not like Trump's fooling the whole country or anything--maybe 40% of his party ("of his party" not exactly accurate) believes everything he says, the other 60% doesn't, a large part of that 60% is scrambling around to prevent him from getting the nomination, and most of the rest of the country sees him as the buffoon he is.

Ah but rather it is not so much people believing what he says. Rather, they don't care - I mean literally you can see people saying "he may not mean it, but it's a better lie than I've heard from any other politician. And if it turns out that he was full of shit, well, then, I'm no worse off than I was with the last several GOP nominees." This is a real position and you can see it on display here http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=362284. Another form of this is "He's crude but he's what we need. He may not mean what he says, but if he's a catalyst for destroying the country-club Republican set, great. If he gets lucky and also destroys the media and Democrats (but I repeat myself), so much the better."

No, they don't think he's genuine, but they also don't care, because he has the right enemies. And he's doing god's good work by destroying the establishment GOP - which is hated only SLIGHTLY less than the MSM and liberal democrats (which are assumed to be the same thing).

http://gawker.com/word-trump-written-in-chalk-terrifies-harms-emory-st-1766477207

believe me, believe me, it's very true

i'm relieved too, except whatshername will be the most goddamn right-wing Democratic prez of your lifetime

an antiphonal chant addressed to University administration, led by College sophomore Jonathan Peraza, resounded “You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!” throughout the Quad.

ah, college

YMP: After I posted that, I was thinking the same thing--that even a lot of the 40% who support Trump probably don't believe a lot of what he says, they instead like him for some of the reasons you cite. Which is in keeping with my main point: after months of watching Trump being interviewed, I think that trying to pin him down, or get him to explain anything, or (the idea's laughable) catch him in a contradiction, is utterly pointless. People react to him, pro and con, on a whole other plane.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeMpdcsW8AAXbeT.jpg

um

^_^

he hasn't done nearly as much actual damage as plenty of actual presidents but I hate him like you'd hate somebody who directly did you wrong

we should have stopped him back when he was just a charismatically awful real-estate tycoon making cameos in mainstream comedies

http://40.media.tumblr.com/aee5ccdcf03b2505e6627a1205e660ae/tumblr_n6k2h3nHA91sj2zr4o1_1280.jpg

http://www.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

so.. trump gets 80 or so percent of republicans but republicans are only 26% of registered voters.. add in the registered independents who are basically republicans and you only have 40% of voters

so far i'm still trusting those who are looking at the math and finding the path for trump in the general is almost impossible. was reading some GOP strategists (who are against trump and not involved in this race and pontificating on tv and twitter mostly).. there aren't enough angry white guys/hidden reagan democrats for trump to win. romney got a higher share of that vote than reagan did, it's not enough

i guess i do worry about some wild card prior to the election like the fall 2008 market crash but.. well, who was going to trust mccain in a crisis once he picked palin to be second in line to the presidency.. and who's going to trust trump in a crisis? not enough people for him to benefit

wow that's a seriously low down threat from trump there

poor lady is married to ted cruz, leave her alone

i don't think a trump presidency is impossible. i can think of numerous scenarios where he beats hillary in the general. but i think it's really improbable and being as how there are probable things to feel anxiety over i'm not going to budget for the chance that a bigger than 9/11 attack propels trump to the wh. (on that note - i was thinking today that hillary's hawk-ish rhetoric may actually soften that. it's reasonable to vote for hillary and believe she would rigorously defend the nation in whatever reptilian portion of the brain americans use to evaluate threats.)

Wow--it's gotta be something Goldman-Sachs related with Cruz's wife. Maybe he can tie her to Hillary and wrap it all up in one neat bundle, addressed to oblivion. (I don't really mean that, I just like to quote Sweet Smell of Success.)

yeah trying to run to hillary's right on foreign policy is probably not the most efficient way to exploit a weakness in her xp

esp when it's not easy to do convincingly

let's say there's a huge domestic incident next feb and americans are just insanely demanding whoever is in the wh respond with a significant show of military force (no opinion about whether such a response would be wise or not). i'd feel safer with hillary in the wh than trump - not just in terms of not being as hawkish, but just in terms of picking intelligent responses, developing strategies, leading the armed forces with some sense of discipline + insight.

Trump causing pain to Emory undergrads

and an antiphonal chant addressed to University administration, led by College sophomore Jonathan Peraza, resounded “You are not listening! Come speak to us, we are in pain!” throughout the Quad. Peraza opened the door to the Administration Building and students moved forward towards the door, shouting “It is our duty to fight for our freedom. It is our duty to win. We must love each other and support each other. We have nothing to lose but our chains.”

omg i was thinking about posting that in the creepy liberal free speech thread. administration is reviewing tape and going to discipline the students who did it.

trump on chalk so scary it causes pain to kids paying $63k a year for four years of overnight camp

have we talked about how disgusting cruz + trump's responses to brussels has been or do we already feel they're so repulsive it's not worth mentioning

he hasn't done nearly as much actual damage as plenty of actual presidents but I hate him like you'd hate somebody who directly did you wrong

― tremendous crime wave and killing wave (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:12 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

So supremely OTM. There are garbage people, sure, but then there are garbage people who inspire other garbage people to be more garbagey and who aspire to spread their garbage as far as their garbage minds can conceive and to make everything just a little more garbagey and who then whine about being treated very, very badly by the sick people who deign to call them out for being pretty much the living embodiment of garbage and for not giving a shit about anything or anyone that isn't similarly garbagey.

omg please let this turn out to be true

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-03-23/rolling-stone-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president

lol jann wenner, i could believe it

guy who claimed to be thisclose to voting for bernie now ecstatic about rolling stone endorsing his opponent, i'll take "never really bought it" for 400, alex

lol you misread my tone

i don't think rs' endorsement matters for anyone or anything but the lolz i'll have reading a jann wenner endorsement of hillary in its pages

why not believe me? i like them both of them. i could still easily vote for sanders. i change my mind every few days.

why wdn't Hil be right in RS's wheelhouse? Didn't they love Bill?

oh i guess i don't really know enough about wenner to get why that's weird. mea culpa

idk weird just like aging uncool boomer out of touch with his own magazine + writers. i love the bit where he defends millionaires.

the only politician i've given money to this election cycle endorsed bernie so this idea that being okay voting for hillary means that you are hostile to bernie's agenda and must have never given him a fair chance or whatever is just a fantasy. polling shows that a huge % of democrats would be satisfied if he were the candidate. most democrats are not voting for him tho.

most Dems haven't voted for anybody, and after the early primaries i think what the MSM calls momentum is more like metooism.

the ppl who are most devoted to voting decide elections it's true

Wenner's late 2000 Bill Clinton interview amounted to a 6000-word begging for Bill to stain Jann's dress.

A v bizarre thing about trumps fucking of the teaparty-rocked Republican apparatus is how jumpy ilx is about it as opposed to viewing the process as a good and probably inevitable thing and just enjoying it.

It's the Liverpool title-run of presidency bids. Not only is it not gonna happen but it was never gonna happen in any timeline viewed from any direction.

Get fucked CNN

Voters in 3 Western states are having their say today as candidates react to terror attacks in Belgium. Watch CNN

trump on chalk so scary it causes pain to kids paying $63k a year for four years of overnight camp

yeah.. i definitely support some changes demanded by campus activists ie situation at mizzou.. but instances like this (assuming the chalk was just 'vote trump' and such? not racist?), the rhetoric about being in pain and afraid in response feels pretty overwrought.

also i've been noticing how the 'safe space' type rhetoric is one of those hook-y things that gets a lot of play on fox news/conservative media because, well, though i believe there was a need for it sometimes it really does devolve into absurdity

you know, i forgot Taibbi is RS? cuz the only time i go to their site is to read him.

the ppl who are most devoted to voting for POTUS gen don't do jackshit else.

trump response and cruz response were both despicable. just like with paris, trump decided to go on about what a horrible place it was and certain quarters the police wouldn't go, which he totally makes up of course.. and cruz, well, stating & reiterating that the response should be police patrols in us muslim neighborhoods is disqualifying.

i mean these guys are doing real damage to the country, saying this

the ppl who are most devoted to voting for POTUS gen don't do jackshit else.

potus gen numbers inflate but the ppl who vote every year obv vote for potus too

A v bizarre thing about trumps fucking of the teaparty-rocked Republican apparatus is how jumpy ilx is about it as opposed to viewing the process as a good and probably inevitable thing and just enjoying it.

It's the Liverpool title-run of presidency bids. Not only is it not gonna happen but it was never gonna happen in any timeline viewed from any direction.

― Ecomigrant gnomics (darraghmac), Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:45 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

blacks, latinxs, and muslims are being beaten and killed by white supremacists emboldened by trump. it doesn't matter that he won't win. it matters that he's inspiring violence against already marginalized people. it's not enjoyable when you're the target of that violence or if you love the people who are targets of that violence.

like idk every v civically involved person i've ever known felt very strongly about presidential elections. i don't buy that midterm voters are like "ugh please voting for president? so passé. newbs." xp

M bison otm

realizing the trump "spill the beans" thing, is once again trump deciding to make a big dumb spectacle to get attention on primary night