Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

omg please let this turn out to be true

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-03-23/rolling-stone-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president

lol jann wenner, i could believe it

guy who claimed to be thisclose to voting for bernie now ecstatic about rolling stone endorsing his opponent, i'll take "never really bought it" for 400, alex

lol you misread my tone

i don't think rs' endorsement matters for anyone or anything but the lolz i'll have reading a jann wenner endorsement of hillary in its pages

why not believe me? i like them both of them. i could still easily vote for sanders. i change my mind every few days.

why wdn't Hil be right in RS's wheelhouse? Didn't they love Bill?

oh i guess i don't really know enough about wenner to get why that's weird. mea culpa

idk weird just like aging uncool boomer out of touch with his own magazine + writers. i love the bit where he defends millionaires.

the only politician i've given money to this election cycle endorsed bernie so this idea that being okay voting for hillary means that you are hostile to bernie's agenda and must have never given him a fair chance or whatever is just a fantasy. polling shows that a huge % of democrats would be satisfied if he were the candidate. most democrats are not voting for him tho.

most Dems haven't voted for anybody, and after the early primaries i think what the MSM calls momentum is more like metooism.

the ppl who are most devoted to voting decide elections it's true

Wenner's late 2000 Bill Clinton interview amounted to a 6000-word begging for Bill to stain Jann's dress.

A v bizarre thing about trumps fucking of the teaparty-rocked Republican apparatus is how jumpy ilx is about it as opposed to viewing the process as a good and probably inevitable thing and just enjoying it.

It's the Liverpool title-run of presidency bids. Not only is it not gonna happen but it was never gonna happen in any timeline viewed from any direction.

Get fucked CNN

Voters in 3 Western states are having their say today as candidates react to terror attacks in Belgium. Watch CNN

trump on chalk so scary it causes pain to kids paying $63k a year for four years of overnight camp

yeah.. i definitely support some changes demanded by campus activists ie situation at mizzou.. but instances like this (assuming the chalk was just 'vote trump' and such? not racist?), the rhetoric about being in pain and afraid in response feels pretty overwrought.

also i've been noticing how the 'safe space' type rhetoric is one of those hook-y things that gets a lot of play on fox news/conservative media because, well, though i believe there was a need for it sometimes it really does devolve into absurdity

you know, i forgot Taibbi is RS? cuz the only time i go to their site is to read him.

the ppl who are most devoted to voting for POTUS gen don't do jackshit else.

trump response and cruz response were both despicable. just like with paris, trump decided to go on about what a horrible place it was and certain quarters the police wouldn't go, which he totally makes up of course.. and cruz, well, stating & reiterating that the response should be police patrols in us muslim neighborhoods is disqualifying.

i mean these guys are doing real damage to the country, saying this

the ppl who are most devoted to voting for POTUS gen don't do jackshit else.

potus gen numbers inflate but the ppl who vote every year obv vote for potus too

A v bizarre thing about trumps fucking of the teaparty-rocked Republican apparatus is how jumpy ilx is about it as opposed to viewing the process as a good and probably inevitable thing and just enjoying it.

It's the Liverpool title-run of presidency bids. Not only is it not gonna happen but it was never gonna happen in any timeline viewed from any direction.

― Ecomigrant gnomics (darraghmac), Tuesday, March 22, 2016 9:45 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

blacks, latinxs, and muslims are being beaten and killed by white supremacists emboldened by trump. it doesn't matter that he won't win. it matters that he's inspiring violence against already marginalized people. it's not enjoyable when you're the target of that violence or if you love the people who are targets of that violence.

like idk every v civically involved person i've ever known felt very strongly about presidential elections. i don't buy that midterm voters are like "ugh please voting for president? so passé. newbs." xp

M bison otm

realizing the trump "spill the beans" thing, is once again trump deciding to make a big dumb spectacle to get attention on primary night

New York Times has called AZ for Hillary & Trump.

sorry, that was improper of me. Clinton and Trump.

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/03/22/straight-talk-from-bernie-sanders-on-the-israeli-palestinian-conflict

sanders is the only adult running for president, frankly.

^^^^

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/

i like 538's delegate tracker because it compares the results against what each candidate "needs" to be "on track" for the nomination, and thus allows you to put these election nights into context. (for example, coming in hillary had 111% of the delegates she needed so far to be on track for the nomination, while bernie was at 88%. starting this week, the territory becomes more favorable for bernie for a while, and so according to 538 his target for tonight's 137 delegates is to win 74. assuming he stays at 37% in AZ, bernie would need to win 66% of the vote in idaho and utah to get 74 for the night

btw only a little over half of arizona has reported yet

http://apps.azsos.gov/election/2016/PPE/Results/PPE2016Results.htm

Why not say our news organization doesn't tolerate evasive answers, contradictions, and lies?

If you actually said this, I think you'd look self-righteous and silly. Ask the question, ask a follow-up definitely, but a certain point, you have to trust that people can see through nonsense. It's not like Trump's fooling the whole country or anything--maybe 40% of his party ("of his party" not exactly accurate) believes everything he says, the other 60% doesn't, a large part of that 60% is scrambling around to prevent him from getting the nomination, and most of the rest of the country sees him as the buffoon he is. I don't think asking the same question six times instead of two is going to move those numbers much.

― clemenza, Tuesday, March 22, 2016 2:18 PM (8 hours ago)

I'm not advocating asking a question six times. I'm advocating news organizations not being used by politicians as free space to say whatever the hell they want. I think politicians routinely walk all over journalists and I think they show little to no guts in confronting them about it.

assuming he stays at 37% in AZ, bernie would need to win 66% of the vote in idaho and utah to get 74 for the night

― k3vin k., Wednesday, March 23, 2016 12:13 AM (1 hour ago)

(btw if anyone cares i re-did the math because it didn't seem right and assuming a 60/40 AZ loss, he needs 78%, not 66%)

he got 74% in utah (w/ 15% reporting)

78% on the nose in Idaho.

timellison otm

Sanders needs more than blowouts in the favorable states upcoming, he needs a Clinton error makes Nancy/AIDS look miniscule (can it, Shakey).

I'm advocating news organizations not being used by politicians as free space to say whatever the hell they want. I think politicians routinely walk all over journalists and I think they show little to no guts in confronting them about it.
― timellison

As a general proposition applying to both parties and all politicians, I don't disagree with that at all, Tim. But if you trace this detour back, it began with the specific idea that if only Trump were questioned more vigorously, people would start to see through him. I disagree with that because a) he is asked follow-up questions, all the time, to no avail--he just repeats the same generalities over and over, and b) I think most people already realize he's saying nothing--people who hate him, obviously, but, as Mad Puffin points out, I'm not even sure what percentage of the people who support him actually take his blather literally. You can ask him for exact details on how he plans to get Mexico to play for his wall twice or five times or ten times, and you just go around in circles.

Interviewer: How will you get them to pay? Mexico is a sovereign country.
Trump: Oh, they'll pay, believe me.
Interviewer: But how?
Trump: They'll pay, and it'll be an amazing wall.
Interviewer: You're still not being specific--how will you make this happen?
Trump: Read my book, The Art of the Deal. It'll happen, believe me. And because you're making me mad right now, the wall just got three feet higher.

On and on and on. We've been hearing that for the last eight months.

AZ: hourslong lines to vote, no polls open AT ALL in at least one Latino district, evacuations for bomb threats at peak voting times, etc.

http://usuncut.com/politics/5-examples-voter-suppression-arizona-primary/

Next time Trump tells someone "believe me" the proper response should be "see, I don't believe you, because you're not answering the question." And then the interviewer should kick him in the balls and say "believe that, motherfucker." Then take off his hat, put it on, and walk out of the room in slow motion while Trump rolls around on the floor moaning.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/dd/c9/85/ddc985f6e176d6fa26aae7171e232d60.jpg

xpost -- or the more concise version, "you've given the country a lot of reasons not to believe you," and leave that hanging there.

had to look up rumors about cruz' wife to sate my curiosity, apparently she suffered from depression. massive low blow from trump if that's what he's planning on throwing around but it's not like that's surprising

"Little Teddy's wife is a crybaby. It's true."

'Person who lives in the same home as Ted Cruz suffers from depression' doesn't exactly seem like a lid-blower.

Hey, I know we hate these cats but mental illness isn't funny, and if we follow that line we're basically just accepting Trump's bait imho.

Who said it was funny? I'm saying a) it's totally the kind of thing that Trump would latch onto as crassly as possible, and b) being married to Ted Cruz is certainly a factor that might contribute to someone's depression.

Allegations of depression aside, it's pretty much the grossest thing ever anytime a political candidate starts going after a rival's family.

c) it would indeed be a lame thing to threaten to expose, if that's what he meant

Jeb! endorsing It's Pat today

I guess it's hard for me not to read a 'being married to that guy would make anyone depressed' kinda comment and not feel like it's a cheap zing. But if you didn't mean it that way, my apologies.

fortune has some cool analysis for you

http://fortune.com/donald-trump-white-supremacist-genocide/

Countless numbers of people mention #WhiteGenocide each day on Twitter, but Fortune used social media analytics software from Little Bird to find those who are considered to be the most prominent. In the world of social media marketing, such people are called “influencers.”

“Our technology builds a big network of hundreds or thousands of specialists in a particular field or people who used a particular hashtag, and then analyzes the connections between the people in that network,” explains Little Bird co-founder and chairman Marshall Kirkpatrick. “We then find the person or people in that group that are most followed by others in the same group. It’s kind of like a ‘9-out-of-10 dentists recommend’ model rather than measuring people by the absolute popularity. We view it as earned influence within a specific context.”

The Little Bird software analyzed Twitter content to generate a ranked list of just under 2,000 #WhiteGenocide “influencers” as of February 8. The more impactful, the higher up on the list (which, understandably, ebbs and flows a bit over time).

Since the start of his campaign, Donald Trump has retweeted at least 75 users who follow at least three of the top 50 #WhiteGenocide influencers. Moreover, a majority of these retweeted accounts are themselves followed by more than 100 #WhiteGenocide influencers.