Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

have you ever been to a Shoney's buffet?

nice

idk what a Shoney's is

that's a no then

Huckabee already dropped out though.

http://i.imgur.com/tHOPIHl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/GmB21cc.jpg

had not realized but there is a definite cruz / shoney's big boy resemblance

Pssh, 'resemblance' my foot. J'ACCUSE, 'BIG BOY' CRUZ.

ah. we have (had? I haven't seen one in decades) Bob's Big Boy out here. Dunno why they went for the regional branding/different name thing.

Had a business meeting today to which one of the attendees showed up wearing a Trump hat.

if you trace this detour back, it began with the specific idea that if only Trump were questioned more vigorously, people would start to see through him. I disagree with that because a) he is asked follow-up questions, all the time, to no avail--he just repeats the same generalities over and over, and b) I think most people already realize he's saying nothing--people who hate him, obviously, but, as Mad Puffin points out, I'm not even sure what percentage of the people who support him actually take his blather literally. You can ask him for exact details on how he plans to get Mexico to play for his wall twice or five times or ten times, and you just go around in circles.

So, at least call him on it. I do think it would have an effect! His whole shtick is that he's a "winner" who gets away with whatever he wants and, if I was interviewing him, I would feel used. This is a decent example of someone sticking up for the integrity of their program:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psgl0M0wD3A

Or just use his own rhetorical tricks on him. "Many, many people I've talked to think you're a sad little turd. It's true."

az resident here, and I can verify maricopa county (which has 60% of the state's population) was a total disaster last night. it's probably already been mentioned in this thread, but there were only 60 voting locations, compared to 200 in the far less contested 2012 primaries. This is for a county with 4 million people in it.

When it first became clear what a disaster it was, the county recorder tried to blame independent voters for not realizing it was a closed primary. A number of people who were registered with a party have said that the voting locations had their information wrong.

I waited in a giant line for 20 minutes before I realized I could drop off my early ballot, which I hadn't mailed. Someone came by counting and told me I was 720th in line, and that actually seemed accurate.

I think people are just too polite or deferential or something. People don't do enough to undercut his bullshit. Feel like some people on this board could grind him up if given the chance to go toe-to-toe with Lil' Donnie Pee-Pee Pants.

p sure Sanders might be yr best hope of tough cross-questioning

GOP voter suppression efforts paying off big time, eh?

yeah, some stuff i read indicated that it's directly related to the SCOTUS Shelby case that gutted the voting rights act. arizona was one of the states that previously needed DOJ clearance, and now the counties basically can set up their own rules. It's really horrible; az republicans are pretty dominant and, I can imagine, scared that the state starts voting like NV, CO, or NM

i.e. allows latinxs to vote

I think people are just too polite or deferential or something. People don't do enough to undercut his bullshit.

Imagine being deferential to that clown, wtf? I'd love to have seen Paxman in his prime unleashed on this fool.

Had a business meeting today to which one of the attendees showed up wearing a Trump hat.

white or red?

Red.

https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/king-bush-cruz-circus-no-hed.png?w=575

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-far-jeb-bush-is-going-to-stop-trump/

someone asked "dick_nixon" a couple weeks ago what Christie's role in a Trump Admin would be and he said "Billy Carter."

man do they love that chart. feel like it kinda sums up a lot of the gaps between what they're good at and what they think they're good at, without marking the moment when they slip into punditry, or interrogating the assumptions behind the model, the variables, the connotations of words... like the numerous unspoken things implied by organizing the field in such a chart, which just get accepted as truths in between the lines.

The author admits that placement of candidates on that chart is based on nothing but guesswork and whim.

yeah but that still assumes that there could be a correct placement, that these are the right circles to draw... the same-sizeness of the circles, which ones are imagined as overlapping vs. utterly distant, the fuzziness of "establishment" vs "moderate" (where the latter in the real world describes none of these people), trump just being "outside" in the same spot the entire time (wouldn't his success suggest that there's some big overlap he's riding?) (what if he's "moved? did anybody else move?). it's probably a useful illustration of SOMETHING but they trot it out for like every debate as if it has a general explanatory power, when the chart itself is what needs explaining. I dunno.

Let us agree that it is a deeply stupid chart in every regard.

sorry guys

i saw colors and shapes and lines and lost control!

hahaha, nothin against you KM, just suddenly struck me.

i think behind that chart is an interesting idea: a shitshow is not amenable to that kind of analysis. but they don't seem to agree with that idea so...

i'm just happy that DT has his own whitespace anteroom

I like how Christie had to go *around* Kasich in that graph

waddling all the way

might as well post this here:

josh marshall's twitter account has been hacked by some nobody esports website. "enjoy" it while it lasts.

@DennisThePerrin Mar 19
Okay, okay. If I absolutely *had* to, I'd vote for Hubert Humphrey over Hillary Clinton. http://bit.ly/1Rbfola #noseheld #nosebleed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5EbEDvjyvI

you don't say!

Hunter Thompson, you may remember, voted for Dick Gregory... and wrote that if the Dems nominated Humphrey again in '72, he'd vote for Nixon.

I think that chart up there works if you imagine the circles as bath-bombs and the candidates as little bits of polystyrene, and the whole thing immersed in water.

Obama, leaving Cuba yesterday:

"As far as the notion of having surveillance of neighborhoods where Muslims are present, I just left a country that engages in that kind of neighborhood surveillance, which, by the way, the father of Sen. Cruz escaped for America, the land of the free," he said.

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/glee/images/7/74/Raven_oh_snap.gif/revision/latest?cb=20141004140823

sorry to revisit old news, but remember the GOP debate that was supposed to happen recently, but then trump refused to participate? why did kasich also refuse to participate? i remember it was confusing at the time, since it seemed like a cruz/kasich debate would be good exposure for both of them. did anyone ever figure that out?

Kasich seems to be hanging on for dear life to this incredibly remote possibility that an open convention turns to a guy who finished a distant third, all because there are polls that show he beats Clinton. Which doesn't answer your question--no idea what he was thinking. But he's such a vulture right now, he makes me side with Trump and Cruz.

I think it's bc they don't want to get in each other's way.

#tagteam #dynamicduo etc

That would be the logical answer, but Kasich hasn't given any indication that he's willing to anything not-selfish to help Cruz.

treeship that's the only thing i can think of, but given how trump completely dominates the coverage, you'd think cruz/kasich could have a relatively civil 2 hour debate and offer republican voters a vision of leadership that isn't completely embarrassing. or not trump-level embarrassing, i mean. they're both assholes but i think they could avoid screaming at each other for a single evening and it would be beneficial to both of them. and maybe that was kasich's problem - he just couldn't bear to help cruz, even if he could improve the GOP's chances of taking down Trump and help himself along the way.

i wish i had a young child because then i could record myself saying that to them in soft parental tones, a la the end of a full house episode

Was this posted already?

http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/obama-enjoys-cuba-while-civilization-burns/

She ran four years too early.

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/12038358_10100685738446456_6935679863041804979_n.jpg?oh=491418fbd795d6e98aeb8634c7b003c0&oe=574CB164

seen in vermont

But he's such a vulture right now, he makes me side with Trump and Cruz.

― clemenza, Thursday, March 24, 2016 9:27 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You must really really fucking hate vultures.