Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

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godwins law personified

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 24 March 2016 18:53 (eight years ago) link

well that was a totally gross post caek thx
xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 March 2016 19:04 (eight years ago) link

er wait that was meant for the NRO thread

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 March 2016 19:04 (eight years ago) link

no you should post that everywhere

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 24 March 2016 19:07 (eight years ago) link

let it be known

goole, Thursday, 24 March 2016 19:08 (eight years ago) link

i didn't realize caek had such strong opinions about slovenia

Karl Malone, Thursday, 24 March 2016 19:10 (eight years ago) link

Panic:

Even without a controversial presidential candidate to contend with, Senate Republicans face a challenging map. Fresh off reclaiming the majority for the first time in eight years, the GOP now faces the daunting prospect of defending 24 of the 34 Senate seats that are up for grabs this November, largely because the six-year terms for the many Republicans who swept into office in the 2010 elections have come due.

The party can afford to lose only three seats to stay in the majority, and at least two incumbents are already facing difficulties: Sens. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), whose state is seen as a prime pickup opportunity for Democrats, and Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), who is struggling in the polls. Five more GOP seats are up for grabs in states that President Obama won twice, including some, like Pennsylvania, by comfortable margins.

Loud foot­steps up­stairs in the pres­id­en­tial race could eas­ily shake the Sen­ate races be­low,” veteran analyst Charlie Cook wrote this week, adding that if the GOP loses the White House by a larger margin than it did in 2008 or 2012, “hanging onto the Sen­ate would be a long shot at best.”

If Trump is the nominee, Democrats have already signaled that they plan to try to link him to every Republican running this fall. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee has rolled out a “Party of Trump” campaign dubbing GOP candidates as “Retrumplicans.

if the Dems aren't outspent

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 March 2016 19:56 (eight years ago) link

lol @ Retrumplicans

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:00 (eight years ago) link

It's catchy

Evan, Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:01 (eight years ago) link

also sounds kinda like Replicant

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:02 (eight years ago) link

has there been any more reports on trumps fundraising?

I know PACs are a thing, but if you dont have establishment support how can you draw down the 1-2 billion its gonna take to run nationwide?

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:26 (eight years ago) link

"Donald, you're a sniveling coward, and leave Heidi alone."

I hate these moments where you have to agree with someone you despise--although it's worth noting it took Cruz a couple of days to get there, and no doubt a few consultants whispering in his ear: "Get outraged! People love that stuff."

clemenza, Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:40 (eight years ago) link

200 million of his own money plus 800 million in free coverage that he gets by tweeting dumb things that are then covered by most media outlets, plus every show begging him to be a guest?

i'm being sort of facetious but he gets exposure from the media in ways that other candidates can't

Karl Malone, Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:41 (eight years ago) link

but that doesnt fund GOTV operations anywhere

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:43 (eight years ago) link

200 million doesn't pay for GOTV? (honestly i have no idea what portion of campaign $ goes directly to GOTV as opposed to advertising and pizza)

Karl Malone, Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:47 (eight years ago) link

isn't this basically what the convention's gonna be about, whether the GOP $$$ org is willing to get behind him (they will, imo)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 March 2016 20:48 (eight years ago) link

was listening to a news story about donald trump's having repeatedly sued journalists who criticized him (all of the suits were tossed out of court). what a fucking baby. why are authoritarians always such whiners?

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:07 (eight years ago) link

it's what makes them want to be authoritarians!

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:08 (eight years ago) link

one day they'll show all those jerks, they'll all be begging for mercy...

Οὖτις, Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:08 (eight years ago) link

you know, trump really combines every venal trait a human being can have, it's almost impressive.

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:26 (eight years ago) link

Gotta ask once more: is this a tipping point for Trump? Almost a year of evidence says not a chance. But you never know.

clemenza, Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:46 (eight years ago) link

at this point if he made obscene gestures when bringing up cruz's wife at a debate, i don't think it would harm his appeal to the 15% (?) of the electorate that has latched onto him.

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:51 (eight years ago) link

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-is-shocking-vulgar-and-right-213572

About 15 years ago, I said something nasty on CNN about Donald Drumpf’s hair. I can’t now remember the context, assuming there was one. In any case, Drumpf saw it and left a message the next day.
“It’s true you have better hair than I do,” Drumpf said matter-of-factly. “But I get more pussy than you do.” Click.

dude you are making me take the side of tucker carlson. cut it the fuck out.

ulysses, Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:53 (eight years ago) link

so slate runs an article (rightly) talking about how trump's horrendous misogynist bullshit is the worst sort of poison

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/03/donald_trump_has_one_core_philosophy_misogyny.html

Drumpf wants us to know all about his sex life. He doesn’t regard sex as a private activity. It’s something he broadcasts to demonstrate his dominance, of both women and men. In his view, treating women like meat is a necessary precondition for winning, and winning is all that matters in his world. By winning, Drumpf means asserting superiority. And since life is a zero-sum game, superiority can only be achieved at someone else’s expense.

and then, slate being slate, they follow it up with reductionist "let's beat him with sex" pseudo lysistrata clickbait.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/03/23/vote_trump_get_dumped_campaign_asks_women_to_stage_a_sex_strike_against.html

ulysses, Thursday, 24 March 2016 21:57 (eight years ago) link

Going after Cruz's wife seems some Nixon-attacking-Muskie shit

Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Thursday, 24 March 2016 23:08 (eight years ago) link

American presidential elections usually amount to a series of overcorrections: Clinton begat Bush, who produced Obama, whose lax border policies fueled the rise of Trump.

riiiight

nomar, Thursday, 24 March 2016 23:12 (eight years ago) link

is it too much to hope for an actual trump/cruz duel

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 24 March 2016 23:15 (eight years ago) link

With pistols or rapiers?

Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Thursday, 24 March 2016 23:19 (eight years ago) link

Or, given their level of decorum, matching pairs of BBQ tongs?

Darkest Cosmologist junk (kingfish), Thursday, 24 March 2016 23:19 (eight years ago) link


dude you are making me take the side of tucker carlson.

did you actually read the article? he's a horrible asshole who supports trump.

wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 24 March 2016 23:23 (eight years ago) link

Poor old USA, this campaign is one of the most repulsive and embarrassing spectacles I've ever witnessed (at a safe distance, thank God).

A Fifth Beatle Dies (Tom D.), Thursday, 24 March 2016 23:32 (eight years ago) link

is it too much to hope for an actual trump/cruz duel

a sword fight, if you know what i mean

mookieproof, Thursday, 24 March 2016 23:50 (eight years ago) link

Drumpf wants us to know all about his sex life. He doesn’t regard sex as a private activity. It’s something he broadcasts to demonstrate his dominance, of both women and men. In his view, treating women like meat is a necessary precondition for winning, and winning is all that matters in his world. By winning, Drumpf means asserting superiority. And since life is a zero-sum game, superiority can only be achieved at someone else’s expense.

otm

Treeship, Thursday, 24 March 2016 23:59 (eight years ago) link

lol cruz's "call out" of trump complete with pointing, what a nerd

Treeship, Friday, 25 March 2016 00:04 (eight years ago) link

God damn it Cruz, tell the public that you will never support that yammering asswipe's presidential campaign in a million years. Don't let the GOP do you like that.

ejemplo (crüt), Friday, 25 March 2016 00:11 (eight years ago) link

keep in mind that most of the GOP is going to support nominating a guy who has publicly mocked his opponent's wife's mental illness on social media.

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 25 March 2016 00:53 (eight years ago) link

truly the expression "i can't even" has never been more apt

Treeship, Friday, 25 March 2016 01:17 (eight years ago) link

so can someone explain the Polls-Plus method on 538 for me? cos it's now updated Cruz has a 45% chance to win Cali, and yet the only new poll that came out was one that ended before Rubio dropped out and still shows Trump ahead. I realize it's meant to show a range of possibilities, but it seems weird that this model forecasts him as a slight frontrunner when not a single CA poll from 2016 has him closer than a 5 point deficit. are they possibly doing the math of Rubio-transfer?

Neanderthal, Friday, 25 March 2016 01:35 (eight years ago) link

"polls plus" attempts to model the effect of endorsements as well as polls, and cruz has had a ton of these.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 25 March 2016 01:40 (eight years ago) link

presumably the modeling is based on data from 2012, etc., when an endorsement was a good thing for a GOP candidate

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 25 March 2016 01:40 (eight years ago) link

got it - thanks!

Neanderthal, Friday, 25 March 2016 01:41 (eight years ago) link

I have a feeling the Convention is going to be one of the most hilarious spectacles that I nonetheless have no desire to be within a 50 mile radius of

Neanderthal, Friday, 25 March 2016 01:42 (eight years ago) link

i think "polls plus" uses state demographics too, in the sense that it incorporates results from demographically similar primaries earlier in the cycle?

but endorsements are probably the big effect in CA. they'll dominate the polls plus in states with very little polling like CA.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 25 March 2016 01:45 (eight years ago) link

i feel really bad for cleveland right now. can they back out of the convention and give to, i dunno, the bahamas?

wizzz! (amateurist), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:17 (eight years ago) link

move it to guantanamo bay

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:25 (eight years ago) link

is this a tipping point for Trump?

the latest polling showing him at like a 70% unfavorable rating among women voters might be. i am becoming more and more doubtful of trump being nominated. i think they'll find a way to push him out at the convention, assuming they can keep him short of the 1237 delegates on the first ballot. been reading a lot of stories indicating that trump's people aren't organized w/r/t who is selected as a delegate and procedures at the convention

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ted-cruz-gains-in-louisiana-after-loss-there-to-donald-trump-1458861959

While Mr. Trump leads in winning primary and caucus elections, and has won more delegates, the Cruz campaign is proving superior at the arcane game of picking the people who will be the actual delegates to the convention, where they will help write the rules and ultimately choose the nominee.

arts and crafts THIS GUY (daria-g), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:38 (eight years ago) link

i agree, not nominating Trump is the lesser disaster. if they can keep him short and don't fuck it up...

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 25 March 2016 02:43 (eight years ago) link


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