Another Canadian Icon Sullied (2014 Jian Ghomeshi sexual assault discussion)

I hope this does not deter women of reporting abuses, but I just can't see how.

was there a jury?

No:

Why will it be decided by a judge, not a jury?
A judge alone is the norm in criminal cases. The Crown proceeds summarily in many sexual assault cases, which means a trial in the Ontario Court of Justice rather than the Superior Court,” one defence lawyer explains: “I don’t criticize that. It means a complainant doesn’t have to testify at a preliminary hearing and a trial. The penalties are lower but it’s worth the trade-off.”

Well it wouldnt be the first time. This shit is why women hardly ever report let alone take to court. I did like that one of the witnesses stayed calm and said "regardless of what i did afterwards, he still assaulted me that night", which is, basically, the point.

OTM and still unfortunately worth repeating

@BorkowskiNews
Judge: "We must fight against the stereotype that all sexual assault complaints are truthful"

I don't think this is an actual quote btw. I didn't find it in the text of the ruling.

thank god

trusted source BorkowskiNews exposed as fraud

actual quote:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeVSVX9WQAECZ1k.jpg

Actual quote was worse: “However, the twists and turns of the complainants’ evidence in this trial, illustrate the need to be vigilant in avoiding the equally dangerous false assumption that sexual assault complainants are always truthful. Each individual and each unique factual scenario must be assessed according to their own particular circumstances.”

xp

"The equally dangerous false assumption" equally dangerous to what? I wonder.

"If you crunch the numbers, the judge's statement that a "false assumption" that a woman is telling the truth about a sexual assault is "equally dangerous" means that the ~450,000 rapes that go unpunished are "equal" to the ~500 false accusations (both figures are for a year in canada). That means that the statement mathematically suggests that a false rape accusation is about 900 times as dangerous as a rape." - a friend from Facebook

I disagree that saying we need to be vigilant to avoid a false assumption is worse than saying we need to fight against a stereotype, even if "equally dangerous" is debatable.

i think the whole "equally dangerous" thing is a trap -- how would one even begin to tabulate the relative dangers??

other than that, out of context, that quote isn't terribly objectionable. in context, it's pretty awful.

@BorkowskiNews
Judge: "We must fight against the stereotype that all sexual assault complaints are truthful"

Pretty sure that quote was actually the satirical headline from the Beaverton.

Peter Mansbridge interview with Ghomeshi's lawyer, Marie Henein.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/jian-ghomeshi-marie-henein-lawyer-interview-1.3510762

http://canadalandshow.com/article/ghomeshi-judges-son-works-marie-heneins-brother

Oh Canadaland. "I don’t actually think this affected Justice Horkins’ view of the case, his judgement, or the way he decided on the case" said the anonymous source, plus everyone else.

Tom Mulcair ‏@ThomasMulcair 5h5 hours ago
I believe strongly in the presumption of innocence and the right to a strong defence but I also believe survivors.

Generous of Mulcair to gift his opponents so much ammo to use against him.

This, from last Friday, was the first thing I read that actually suggested alternative ways of dealing with cases like this: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/trial-by-battle-tradition-fails-to-meet-the-needs-of-sex-assault-survivors/article29391597/

His proposal that the accusers (ie. his client) get to choose a civil trial and instead of "beyond a reasonable doubt" becomes "balance of probabilities" would have made no difference here. Still would've lost. Isn't it apparent that this case is not one that merits any reforms?

Even if that's true, and it may be, I can see an argument as to why it might at least help with other sexual assault cases.

Wow, I just watched the Henein interview. She's kind of compelling.

Yeah she's really something. On the other hand, Peter Mansbridge's supposed reputation and appeal remains a mystery to me.

This author seems to agree with you and makes some fair points imo: http://www.chatelaine.com/news/mansbridge-botched-marie-henein-interview/

The question about whether men are seen as traitors to their gender seemed exceptionally dumb to me. A better comparison would be about whether members of a visible minority group could be seen as betraying their community, which could definitely happen.

The Canadian version of O.J.'s many post-acquittal projects:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/arts/television/jian-ghomeshis-ideation-project-marks-a-less-than-triumphant-return/article34654018/

He probably saw the pics of Casey Anthony at the Women's March and figured it was his time for a comeback too

god the title of this thread is the absolute worst

I can't tell whether it was originally about Gretzky or Keith's. Guessing the latter.

Sarah Polley speaks publicly about it:

Filmmaker Sarah Polley tells us why she's now embracing things that once kept her up at night — from why she didn't come forward in the trial of Jian Ghomeshi, to the trauma of her career as a child star.

Read more https://t.co/QC3KCIRKA5 and tune in on CBC Radio One at 9:10am

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