Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

What am i looking at fred?

I think that's a still shot of Lewandowski grabbing Fields

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/pftdgemefsuratthrerp.gif

btw the comments on that article are a sewer

you should all read them and consider that this may be more than just "trolling" and what that actually means about the country we live in

Robert >>>>>>>> Corey

@ggreenwald
Add George W. Bush's former NSA & CIA Chief - a true pro-torture extremist - to the "Clinton over Trump" club

Alexandra Jaffe
‏@ajjaffe
On @Morning_Joe Gen. Hayden asked to choose btw Trump & Clinton, says "Secretary Clinton is better prepared to handle" national security.

I saw Fran Lebowitz on a Bill Maher clip a few weeks ago talking about she's never liked the Clintons from the get-go ("I knew 'that guy' in high school and didn't like him then") but is voting for Hil anyway, but i couldn't watch more because Gen. Hayden was hogging the panel and i didn't have my Winky Dink crayons to draw [redacted] on his fucking asshole forehead.

Is Greenwald implying that he supports Trump over Clinton there?

no

I wonder what the bigger factor in his support is - that he thinks Hillary is more pro torture than Trump (clearly not) or not wanting Japan to start building nukes.

Is he implying that people who support Clinton over Trump are terrible people by association?

I wonder if Greenwald writes this kind of dumb shit bc he himself is a moron or he thinks his Twitter followers are morons.

i read that as him just noting how evil the lesser of the two evils is

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

by just tryin' to make you people feel extra good about voting for the same candidate that stellar human beings like Michael Hayden (and likely Henry Kissinger) will

There's always Jill Stein.

I already feel fine about voting for Clinton in a general election; this bullshit is making me want to campaign for her.

Feel free, but don't do it bcz Morbs got under your skin.

it's such a dumb statement from glenn. if the most salient fact about hayden is that he's pro-torture, then surely the surprise should be that he's not backing the explicitly pro-torture candidate. one could easily conclude it's bc trump is such a loose handle that even pro-torturers are scared of him, but instead glenn seems to be insinuating it's bc hayden likes hillary [non-existent] position on torture, or just smearing her w/ the implication that if hayden prefers her to trump that must mean she's terribly compromised.

will you donate every time i tear into her, a la Obama 2012? xxp

There's always Jill Stein

Been there, not feelin' it. A truly empty gesture.

one of many reasons I didn't caucus on Saturday was that I realized I don't have an actual informed preference between the two dems! They're fine. Just entirely adequate, under the circumstances.

will you donate every time i tear into her, a la Obama 2012?

Not until the general; you've still got a few free months before you start fundraising by proxy.

you guys done yet

Oh, i won't have much to say after April 19. But in America, your cash is the best political currency.

I'm not crazy about Clinton, but if she's the nominee, she's got my vote. It's like Dr Morbius always says: "I don't care whom I have to vote for, as long as we get a Democrat in the White House."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxSfQeCoFUM

can imagine Morbs in these clothes

Oh, i won't have much to say after April 19

lololol plz no teasing

Cash is what votes first.

"I don't care whom I have to vote for, as long as we get a Democrat in the White House."

I generally give Southerners a pass on this.

No, once Bern is off the scene, vote for the monster you like best.

One interesting thing about that Fields/Lewandowski video is that it's apparently from a security camera at Trump's own club. A more practiced movie villain would have directed his staff to "accidentally" delete that footage.

Not that it will change the way anybody votes, but Camp Trump would have done better to say something along the lines of "whoops, it was a few chaotic seconds, sorry IF you got jostled in the scrum." But they went straight to "she's lying and she's a hysterical nut and fame-seeker and oh by the way probably a whore as well." It could have been a bruise sustained in a confused moment; it's been allowed to become a story that conveniently fits larger narratives of misogyny and violence.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ceuo6ZaWIAArr2G.jpg

sorry

Sarandon is kind of a phony, no kiddin'

Yeah can we stop attributing this perspective to youth or immaturity? There's an intelligent argument to be made against zero-sum politics but the constant "oh you don't yet understand what it's like in the real world" is a fucking copout.

Like is there ANY set of circumstances in which the notion that the status quo is no longer tenable, full stop, would be legitimate to you guys?

Yes, but we are nowhere near that point.

At the moment the dangers of instability in our country and throughout the world are much greater than the dangers of the status quo - this is even if we didn't have a reasonable expectation of reforms being put into place to make the status quo better.

any dramatic/violent end to the political & economic status quo would rapidly degrade the material circumstances of millions of already-vulnerable Americans, likely for the rest of their lives.

I watched Sarandon on Hayes' show last night; she's smarter than the average actor until she says dumb shit

Also not sure that Hollywood actors are the best ppl to tell us "what it's like in the real world."

any dramatic/violent end to the political & economic status quo would rapidly degrade the material circumstances of millions of already-vulnerable Americans, likely for the rest of their lives.

― petulant dick master (silby), Tuesday, March 29, 2016 12:51 PM (3 minutes ago)

this is just vague enough to be not even wrong

I mean I'm no economist but I figure if the US gov't under the constitution were to violently cease operations, the repudiation of USD-denominated national debt would cause widespread misery

I will apologize in advance if I am wrong that neither of you are seeking treatment for PTSD or phantom limb, have lost your pensions, have had your homes taken by eminent domain to Big Frack. I guess it all depends where you're sitting.

Does anyone think that the US has gone in a better direction because GWB beat Gore in 2000? Why would anyone believe that electing the worse choice would lead to better results down the road? It's just magical thinking + fantasizing.

who the hell are you even responding to now

Where I'm sitting President Donald Trump is not going to make life better for people seeking treatment for PTSD, who have lost their pension, or lost their home to eminent domain. Where you're sitting does it look differently?

how do you guys do this every day

I thought we're talking about Sarandon's comments? Am I wrong?

I'll be honest I'm not sure what I'm responding to.

can we talk about how her acting has sucked since 1995

i assume 'let's stick with the status quo' ilxors don't click on the climate change thread too often

Donald Trump denies human caused global warming so wtf are you talking about.