Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

i instinctively thought Trump, a lot of people don't know/care about Cruz and he wouldn't inspire as much anti-turnout
but then how many Republicans/"independents" will just stay home if Trump isn't the nominee, either...

I have no idea tbh. I never thought DT would make it this far in the first place so I can't feel comfortable making bold predictions about anything other than "he has already secured 90% of the votes he would get in a general election"; Cruz is, as has been noted, the most despised person in the running who could still be thought of as an establishment figure so I can't imagine that his name at the top of the ballot would reflect well on other Republicans downticket unless the person voting has only seen the DT clown show and has never paid attention to a single thing Cruz has ever said or done.

my hunch now is trump, so i'm hoping he noisily clings on

p.s. if you make an incorrect prediction about this election you're not allowed to post in the 2020 thread

GOP better off just renominating Mitt

lolololololololol

https://twitter.com/katie_mburns/status/694021085952548864

isn't that his normal face tho

GOP better off just renominating Mitt

― we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, March 31, 2016 4:09 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

kind of hoping cruz gets the nom so we can see what happens to the "if only we nominated a real conservative" whining when he loses miserably

like trump, despite base support among repubs, is still too much of a mixed bag, the wishing for a "real conservative" would persist w/ a trump candidacy

have a trump candidacy then a 'real' conservative, then they can lose this time *and* next time

the sanest republican opts for kasich. s/he who is feeling adventurous favours trump

Absolute best odds for a Republican presidency: Kasich vs. Sanders. Any other combination adds up to a D win IMO.

the next post is the 6,666th one

fartz

haha sorry

actual lol

same

rumour has it if you shave trump's head the number of the beast is revealed

what do you think he's hiding under that combover

that's where he keeps Chris Christie's soul

from Jon Schwarz at The Intercept

...Citizens United didn’t change the law that forbids political spending by “foreign nationals” (which covers foreign governments, corporations, and individuals). Federal contractors also may not engage in such spending.

But what Citizens United did do was make it possible for U.S. corporations to spend unlimited amounts directly from their corporate treasuries on electioneering — and the money in corporate treasuries belongs to the company’s shareholders.

“Arguably, then,” wrote Ellen Weintraub, one of the six members of the FEC, in a New York Times op-ed, “for a corporation to make political contributions or expenditures legally, it may not have any shareholders who are foreigners or federal contractors.”

Since essentially all significant publicly traded “American” corporations are owned to some degree by foreign nationals (and certainly some have shareholders who are federal contractors), that means that any electoral spending by such corporations is potentially illegal.

That would presumably be even more the case for subsidiaries of foreign companies that are wholly owned by their parent company but incorporated in the U.S.

Weintraub says that at the next FEC meeting, she “will move to direct the commission’s lawyers to provide us with options on how best to instruct corporate political spenders of their obligations under both Citizens United and statutory law.”

https://theintercept.com/2016/03/31/foreign-money-is-flowing-into-u-s-elections-alitos-lying-lips-notwithstanding/

shoulda gone in gen politics thread i guess

i instinctively thought Trump, a lot of people don't know/care about Cruz and he wouldn't inspire as much anti-turnout
but then how many Republicans/"independents" will just stay home if Trump isn't the nominee, either...

― Nhex, Thursday, March 31, 2016 9:04 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if cruz was the nominee people are going to know all about him by the time the election rolls around, i mean i doubt most people had even heard of sarah palin when she was picked for the VP slot and well before the election she was the defining reason for anti-turnout.

I sure hope we're not all underestimating the ability of Repubs to hold their collective nose and pull the lever, especially if it's Cruz.

i think most of them would be capable of doing it, but can't see cruz doing any better than mccain or romney did, at best.

Cruz's outreach to Latinos is really gonna pay off, just wait!

DJP otm with this

he has already secured 90% of the votes he would get in a general election

At the same time, I agree with marcos that it would bring a nice, long-overdue clarity to the conversation if Cruz were the nominee (assuming, of course, he loses badly). I know that dead-ender types are gonna be dead-enders, but still. Having a real-world counterargument to the "if only we nominated a REAL conservative" line would have been nice.

Ah, well. Those dudes will be if-onlying their way to the grave either way. Upside is that having them loudly blame Trump for the disastrous loss to the weakest Dem in decades may forestall another Trump run (or Trump-style run) in future.

Having a real-world counterargument to the "if only we nominated a REAL conservative" line would have been nice.

What effect do you think that'll have? I mean, suppose Sanders is nominated and loses. Do you think the left flank of the Democratic party is going to say "ok, we're satisfied, now we see it's not just a matter of nominating a real liberal?" No, they (or should I say we) would say "he was undercut by the media and the establishment of the party, really getting behind a left-wing nominee still hasn't been tried." And that's exactly what the movement conservatives would say / will say if / when Cruz runs and loses; the RINOs and the immigrant-loving business interests in the RNC didn't really get behind him, they intentionally let Cruz lose so they could run Romney II next time, but when a conservative candidacy is REALLY tried, then you'll see the silent majority rise up, etc etc etc.

otm

if only we nominated a real Cuban!

we've been over this No True Scotsman fallacy thing

yea u r right eephus

Okay, conceded.

Buffalo "conservatarian" talk-radio guy says, categorically, Trump's finished. Overreacting, probably, but I will say this is the first time he's said that.

:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L_UKv19P9E

didn't nytimes write that trump is leading over there

*googles*

uh

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/03/31/donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton-hold-strong-leads-in-new-york-poll-shows/

few metaphors are lower hanging fruit than the fate of a young black man with a "FREE HUGS :)" sign at a trump rally vs. a sanders rally

oof

NYC is definitely his by a long shot. but the market's grown bearish on Donut Pump.

even 66% odds that it goes to more than two ballots at the convention now. and I don't know if we've bore the full weight of his dunderheaded statements from yesterday yet.

I hugged that guy!

wow, on PredictIt, you can buy a Trump Wins Repub Nom for fuckin' 46 cents a share.

I hate that I discovered this shit cos I used to have a gambling problem but it's better than betting on sports cos you don't have to bank on a result necessarily

Because Trump is despised from all directions, he also moves the bar on insane-pariah status. Suddenly anti-Trump guy Glenn Beck is showing up on CNN again.

we're gonna be very bored when this is all over

wonder if rubio is wishing he'd stuck around

never too late!

http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/1992/1101921012_400.jpg

he's apparently trying to hold onto his delegates despite dropping out to preserve #nevertrump

(not a joek - though I have no idea if that will be allowed)

Love what they did with Perot's nose there...What a circus that was, Perot's exit + return. If Trump ever bows out, maybe he can come up with a Perot-like story about the RNC planting CIA agents at the hospital where his daughter had her baby.

People have forgotten how batshit Perot exit/reentry were. He accused former CIA director Poppy Bush of putting a hit out on his family!

.....could....

Could Chelsea enter GOP race

I might be wrong, but I get the feeling some of the younger posters here don't know how crazy Perot was period. He seems to get a measure of respect for his anti-NAFTA stance (overlap with Trump). He was nuts.