Il Douché and His Discontents: The 2016 Primary Voting Thread, Part 4

Love what they did with Perot's nose there...What a circus that was, Perot's exit + return. If Trump ever bows out, maybe he can come up with a Perot-like story about the RNC planting CIA agents at the hospital where his daughter had her baby.

People have forgotten how batshit Perot exit/reentry were. He accused former CIA director Poppy Bush of putting a hit out on his family!

.....could....

Could Chelsea enter GOP race

I might be wrong, but I get the feeling some of the younger posters here don't know how crazy Perot was period. He seems to get a measure of respect for his anti-NAFTA stance (overlap with Trump). He was nuts.

I remember the ears and that he was, for some reason, really popular amongst my 8th grade classmates (we had a mock election and he came in 2nd. Clinton came in dead last. I think we were all just perves.)

I have no idea if that will be allowed

To the best of my knowledge, pledged delegates from primaries or caucuses remain pledged for at least the first ballot, unless they are released by the candidate before the first ballot. Their votes can't be officially transferred by one candidate to another and after the first ballot they are freed to vote as they desire. That's a big reason why the slate of delegates is chosen for their proved loyalty to the candidate, so they will follow directions even if they don't have to.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhsotMavuRQ

lol did Perot actually say "you people" during an NAACP address?

Yes...From memory, he was talking about the economy and said something like "And who gets hit hardest? You people."

I do remember Stocksdale tho...that shit was hilarious

(- extra s)

He could still surprise us!
http://springfieldfiles.com/albums/clothing/0084.JPG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXMwqZAZ-8E&feature=youtu.be

if yer that much into war why not play Amon Amarth songs

we're gonna be very bored when this is all over

That long, huh?

Bern rallying in the Bronx with Spike Lee and Rosario Dawson right now.

http://youtu.be/dC4Pvm6Oj4A

Ugh please stop fucking up and being terrible

Like obv I'm going to vote for you under duress but jamming your finger in the face of a climate change activist because any challenge on your donations is an attack from the sanders camp is so fucking shitty.

She really should be better at this after an entire life in politics. This isn't even her first presidential run!

Like, I only even know one person who is a full on enthusiastic Hillary supporter (just like she was in 2008), and good for her, but most people who aren't bonkers for Bernie are just like "yeah, she's the worst, but what else is there?" That's how I feel, anyway. I just wish she'd stop making me hate myself more every day.

most people who aren't bonkers for Bernie are just like "yeah, she's the worst, but what else is there?"

I think it depends who you hang out with? I would say just about every woman my age I know (I'm mid 40s) is legitimately psyched about Clinton. I have more Clinton-supporting friends than Sanders-supporting friends. That's just anecdotal but polling shows Clinton voters self-report just as much enthusiasm as Sanders supporters

http://www.gallup.com/poll/190343/trump-clinton-supporters-lead-enthusiasm.aspx

and of course there's the fact that millions and millions of people, given the choice between Clinton and Sanders, are voting for her. I just can't see any way to read this other than "lots and lots of people are sincerely excited about Hillary Clinton being president."

yeah eephus otm, true of liberal voters maybe but certainly not the majority of democrats

That's interesting and actually new news to me. Even though I'm already a dedicated Clinton voter, I have no enthusiasm at all and no one else I know (with the exception of one person) has any either. I'm aware I live in a bubble of angry lefties, though, so it's hardly a realistic view of the campaign.

Obama, for all he's accomplished, likely ruined me forever about big expectations. All I really want now is someone who won't make the lives of my LGBTQ friends worse and won't make the lives of my women friends worse and won't make the lives of my black friends worse and hopefully won't make the rest of the world hate us more than they already do and won't wreck the supreme court for decades to come. Maybe that guy is Bernie, but after 7 years of centrist Obama getting the kind of pushback he gets from congress, I can't see Bernie accomplishing one single thing. At least Clinton has a chance.

(Though, if Trump torches the GOP so badly that they lose the senate AND the house, it could be good timez!)

http://youtu.be/dC4Pvm6Oj4A

Ugh please stop fucking up and being terrible

― Here, let me Danesplain that for you (jjjusten), Friday, April 1, 2016 4:28 AM (39 minutes ago)

yeah she is the fucking worst, not looking fwd to months and months of hearing ppl pretend she's anything other than a shitty person and candidate

if only she had a bird to sit on her podium for a few seconds.

Vampire bat, more like.

Hillary isn't much older than I am (68 vs. 61). I've seen a hell of a lot of politicians in my lifetime and believe me, when it comes to the worst I've seen she doesn't even crack the top 100. It makes no sense to me for people to talk about her as if she were some horrific bag of turds.

Realistically considered, she's a careerist whose career spans some ugly decades in US politics, so the compromises she's made have also been pretty damn ugly. But, like any careerist, she was just following public opinion, not leading it, and so what you hate about her is nothing but an accurate reflection of that public.

When she voted for the Iraq War and USA PATRIOT Act those votes were approved by a lopsided majority of Americans. Yes, they were gross votes, but the Iraq War Authorization passed 77 - 26 in the Senate, with 29 democrats in favor. The USA PATRIOT Act passed (get ready for it...) 98 -1. She may be no paragon of principle, but maybe about 5% of US Senators ever come close to that standard and none of them get elected President.

that's pretty otm imo

yeah everyone else was voting for those horrible things so it makes it okay. /s

i wonder why those votes were approved by a lopsided majority of Americans, it's not like there was a multi-media coordinated top-down propaganda effort to make people existentially afraid

also otm

i'm actually starting to go through the rabbit-hole on clinton where i like her precisely _because_ she's so unlikable and untrustworthy. people keep criticizing her by saying she's a "typical politician", but typical politicians don't inspire gut revulsion on the level clinton does. now, her husband, he's a typical politician- he'll shake your hand, look into your eyes, and you get this belief that he actually cares about you and your problems. hillary doesn't have that. and for those of us who don't have this instinctive likability, who don't come equipped with reality distortion fields... well, i personally find it inspiring, in a weird way. she's got this kind of "grandma hermione" thing going for her.

anyway i'm probably just telling an elaborate series of lies to myself because that's what people do by this point in the campaign, but i wanted to share.

That's great, though. Whatever it takes so long as she wins.

typical politicians don't inspire gut revulsion on the level clinton does

except they do? politicians like bill come along once in a generation

I find that most politicians inspire gut revulsion, tbh.

like any careerist, she was just following public opinion, not leading

well i hate most Americans too

also, she is sposed to know what the fuck she is talking about.

is it possible for you to have a more cynical view of a statesperson's job?

now, her husband, he's a typical politician- he'll shake your hand, look into your eyes, and you get this belief that he actually cares about you and your problems.

...which made his policies and public mien all the more repulsive

Anyone who seeks public office is an egomaniacal psychopath. If they weren't, they'd keep their fucking head down and mind their own fucking business like the rest of us. That's why electoral politics should be abandoned entirely and replaced with a lottery system - people get randomly chosen for one year of unpaid service to the government. You open your mailbox one day and, "Aw, fuck - I'm a Senator!"

that's how the Tea Party does it iirc

over mimosas

That video sort of makes me like her more in a weird way (although I'll still volunteer with the Sanders campaign). It at least feels genuine.

That's why electoral politics should be abandoned entirely and replaced with a lottery system - people get randomly chosen for one year of unpaid service to the government. You open your mailbox one day and, "Aw, fuck - I'm a Senator!"

Didn't the Tea Party recruit a pizza store owner to run for Congress a few years ago?

and I just read the other day he's still trying to hold onto his delegates

ayooooooooooooo

i'm actually starting to go through the rabbit-hole on clinton where i like her precisely _because_ she's so unlikable and untrustworthy. people keep criticizing her by saying she's a "typical politician", but typical politicians don't inspire gut revulsion on the level clinton does. now, her husband, he's a typical politician- he'll shake your hand, look into your eyes, and you get this belief that he actually cares about you and your problems. hillary doesn't have that. and for those of us who don't have this instinctive likability, who don't come equipped with reality distortion fields... well, i personally find it inspiring, in a weird way. she's got this kind of "grandma hermione" thing going for her.

anyway i'm probably just telling an elaborate series of lies to myself because that's what people do by this point in the campaign, but i wanted to share.

― diana krallice (rushomancy), Friday, April 1, 2016 7:17 AM (3 hours ago)

this is what happens when you post to ilm for too long

"i like this record precisely because it's so flawed. humans are flawed, y'know!

i was surprised to see this: http://www.gallup.com/poll/190343/trump-clinton-supporters-lead-enthusiasm.aspx

http://i.imgur.com/RnbdaYn.png

guess it's not so surprising since it's just a poll of democratic voters and not independents but it does contradict the idea that hillary's supporters are not enthusiastic. more likely that internet comments are not indicative of broader population.

"i like this record precisely because it's so flawed. humans are flawed, y'know!

― k3vin k., Friday, April 1, 2016 10:27 AM

aka the Drake Defense

aka the Drake Defense

See also Kanye West. "No, the fact that he totally bungled the rollout and is now frantically retooling the album hour by hour is a profound artistic statement, deconstructing the idea of the album as fixed object!"

i think it makes sense that bernie supporters aren't 'very' or 'extremely' enthusiastic, they would tend to be people more skeptical of a presidential candidate in the first place