Come anticipate CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR with me

It really is irritating that there isn't more integration between the movies and the TV shows. And now, in the wake of the revelation that the surge of new Inhumans in Agents of SHIELD won't be addressed in Civil War (and that the filmmakers maybe weren't even aware of what was happening on AoS), the MCU people have been more vocal about how it's difficult to sync up the movies and the shows because they're working on different schedules and it's hard to keep track of who's doing what and oh hey what's that shiny thing over there behind you. You know what? You're the ones who decided to set all of this stuff in the same universe. Step up and make it work.

And it really doesn't have to amount to much more than a few cameos and cursory acknowledgement of what's happening elsewhere. The Inhumans thing is galling because you'd think (if you're one of the seven people who watch the show) that a spontaneous swell of Terregenesis-ed metahumans would pretty heavily inform the desire to register people with powers.

Particularly considering the plot in AoS about government task-forces sweeping up new Inhumans - that's free plot mechanics just lying there.

I guess the filmmakers are afraid the people who watch the movies but not the TV shows would be confused by references to the latter? But really, all it would it to take is to add some minute-long news clip where it's explained that new superpowered people are emerging because a chemical spill is causing them to mutate. That wouldn't be any more confusing to non-Marvel geeks than all the flash-forwards in Age of Ultron.

Wonder when/if they are going to start laying the groundwork for Infinity War. I suspect they will simplify Thanos rather than complicate things with all the abstract cosmic entities, like Death and Eternity. With the current schedule, they pretty much just have Guardians 2 and Thor 3 to get into all the cosmic stuff, right? Infinity War is 2018.

I'd wager that most of the stuff with Thanos as any kind of central character will take place in the two Infinity War movies. So, yeah, it'll most likely be a loose sketch of the comics version of the character.

I assume they will introduce Death, his love for her is such an important part of Thanos' character (right down his name) that it'd be weird to leave it out... Plus they already teased that with the "to court death" line in the Avengers post-credits stinger. But yeah, no Eternity probably, and I assume Vision will replace Adam Warlock in IW... Warlock is such a complicated character, and the GoG movie is the only place left where they could introduce him, but I don't think they'll do it. And if they're gonna adapt Infinity Gauntlet's plot, the part where Warlock has to banish the good and evil within him to handle the Gauntlet could be easily done with Vision, since an AI wouldn't have those qualities to begin with.

Regarding the Red Skull, I half-expected his consciousness to be the real villain in Winter Soldier, although Zola played that role well. I originally guessed they'd use some of Brubaker's comic events as a partial outline and that Robert Redford's character would be haunted by the Skull's consciousness after he had some contact with a cosmic cube fragment or something.

I think it's better they didn't go that way, but the concept could pop up

And Tuomas otm, there's no way they're going to go full Starlin

No Pip the Troll no cred.

I think Moondragon is the only Infinity Watch member who still has a decent chance of appearing, possibly in GotG 2. She has a distinctive visual look, plus there aren't any proper telepaths in the MCU yet. And they would finally introduce the non-straight superhero people have been asking for (not counting that supporting SHIELD agent in AoS).

They kinda stole Moondragon's look for the MCU version of Nebula, though. And since Drax isn't an earthling in the MCU, the father/daughter connection there would be dropped (unless they made Moondragon an alien, too).

Maxam will definitely be there, though.

I think Nebula later became bald and cyborg in the comics, which is what the movie version was based on, not Moondragon. Besides being bald, they have little in common visually.

Introducing an alien Moondragon would not be hard... Drax thinks his whole family died, but maybe his daughter secretly survived? Maybe she was even adopted and raised by one of Ronan's generals, to add some extra drama to her and Drax' relationship?

So this opens in the UK tomorrow - is that ahead of the American release again?

Yup. Not til next week in the US.

Unamerican as eff, imo.

President Trump will stop this crap of Not America getting our American movies before America does, that's for sure.

it's already in progress. whadya think the Civil War is being fought over?!

Opened yesterday in Australia.

You foreigners make me sick

Does no one remember 9/11?

is that the US release date?

off to see this later today - will report back with obsessively detailed spoilers immediately afterwards

i'd been assuming that steve rogers would buy the farm in this one but the release in non-america before getting released in yes-america makes me wonder, would they really do that knowing that his death would inevitably be spoiled far and wide before release day in the us? anyway, let us know!

watching an all-American symbol die horribly is marvel's gift to the rest of the world

I've heard that the back half of the movie is nothing but slo-mo Cap eviscera whizzing past your ears in 3-D. Surprised that Marvel was able to talk the MPAA down from a hard NC-17.

i can exclusively report that spider-man is fucking delightful in this movie

also the rest of it is really good. definitely in the top tier of marvel movies. also, weirdly, a lot of people wearing baseball caps to appear incognito.

TBF, I've never been able to recognize someone I knew if they were wearing a baseball cap. I just assumed they were a baseball player.

Good to hear that your impression seems in sync with early reviews. Psyched.

there's a lot to like! I felt like the second act, enjoyable as it is, might be skewing unexpectedly skewing a bit too much towards comedy but it pulls it back with a suprisingly small, grounded but very effective finale. it's really good!

as a corollary, people I know who constantly wear baseball caps do not look like themselves without them

Yeah, who can recognize DiCaprio without his?

gr8080

in a way I'm glad I saw batman vs superman first cuz this is like a masterclass in how to make a film about conflict between allies that feels logical and earned and BvsS was, uh, very much not

black panther gets maybe the same screentime as wonder woman but they manage to give him an entire character arc and he is super-badass. can't wait to see him again.

one of the things I liked most about winter soldier was how crunchy and fierce the fight scenes were and this takes them even further - some of the fight choreography, particularly in the first 20 minutes or so, is amazing.

roll on the us opening so we can talk about this properly :(

totally agree about the fight choreography. and the last fight scene, while i had some misgivings about it on narrative levels, was kinda breathtaking when the camera just stopped moving for a few seconds (probably the longest in the entire movie lol) and REDACTED and REDACTED and REDACTED are just going at it

still feel like the whole civil war concept is a little schmoopy but its much more a logical outgrowth of the plot machinations here than in the comic version

thought the Gettysburg section was a little gratuitous though

I need to stop checking this thread ugh

SPOILERS!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRPoiTHMuzc

the thing that bugged me most about this was the giant futura caption that popped up every time the action moved to a different location - i feel like that specific design is going to date the film quicker than anything else

the more i think about this the more impressed i am that they took the civil war concept and actually made it work so much better than the godforsaken comic which inspired it. pretty much every character's motivation seems logical, no-one is objectively right or wrong, the hero-on-hero fight isn't a grimdark battle to the death (in fact it's probably the most straight-up entertaining section of the movie), and the antagonist's plan is both small-scale and tied to the themes of the movie. plus it also works as a continuation of the bucky plot from winter soldier.

there are some bits that are more transparently driven by the need to set up stuff for other movies than i'd like, primarily the inclusion of spider-man, which is almost entirely unnecessary to the plot, but it's just so much fucking fun to see peter parker doing spider-stuff that it's impossible to hold it against the movie. certainly the setup stuff is nowhere near as intrusive as it was in age of ultron.

damn i wanna see this again

I keep cracking up thinking about the vision's smart-casual attire in this

Vision has long been a fashion plate.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/visionoutfits06a.jpg

he does study a chessboard at one point!

(spoiler alert i guess)

How could u.

I have tix to see this on Monday at a special screening hosted by the Russo Brothers: http://thedaily.case.edu/news/emmy-award-winning-directors-joe-and-anthony-russo-to-host-local-screening-of-marvels-captain-america-civil-war-may-2/

oh wow, awesome!

Saw this last night in a packed venue at the event mentioned above -- it was done as a thank-you by the Russos to Case Western Reserve University, helping them fundraise for the next phase of the new Maltz Performing Arts Center. Had a nice intro by CWRU president Barbara Snyder, and then Anthony Russo talked a bit. Joe Russo was absent as he's apparently got some kind of chest infection from all the traveling they've been doing to overseas premieres.

Russo told some funny anecdotes about their time at CWRU as grad students, including constantly pestering Prof. Louis Gianetti (who film buffs know as the author of the text Understanding Movies) for advice and feedback; and forming a short-lived improv troupe, which they then reviewed in the student paper under the byline of a name they picked from the phone book, and gave themselves a scathingly bad review.

Anyway, I'd love to let lose with some spoilers for this movie, but until people see it this week, just a few non-spoiler observations:

- Russos continue to be great at choreographing and shooting action. You always know where things are happening.
- Despite the amazing number of superheroes in this movie, it feels very human-scale and not "comic-book." That is, the stakes are big but revolve around people, not cosmic or existential threats.
- Paul Rudd remains my #1 man crush.
- There is what I thought was an insanely bad, uncanny valley moment in the movie, then it's lampshaded as being something other than what you thought.
- Daniel Bruhl is underused.
- Black Panther, y'all.
- Peter Parker finally feels like a legitimate teenager.

I am down with that except fuck a Paul Rudd.

The action sequences are great, and the one that starts in an apartment and moves is amazing, half way through I had to remember to breathe - and I'm still smiling at *how* they introduce Black Panther in that sequence. And the balance where you don't believe any of them are invincible, they are dangerous to each other, but they are emphatically not regular humans.

(tempted to put up the spoilers screens to find out more about the uncanny valley you're talking about)

Fuckin chess spoilers can a mod get that pls ffs

What the hell, I guess I'll go see this tonight.