Help, I'm trapped in an ivory tower! Or "what the fuck am i getting myself into with this academia stuff"

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As you can see, several 2011 graduates were hired for this fall, even at decent schools (v good in the case of Northwestern). (No one graduated earlier than that, though, so that doesn't bode well for me if I have to go back on the job market at some point.)

I misspoke. The Cornell job went to someone who graduated in 2008 and is over 40.

Hi! I'm twice-coloured! (Sund4r), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 18:03 (eight years ago) link

a taxonomy of the exceptions in the otherwise heartfelt egalitarianism of 'successful' professional american academics could never get published in one of the journals they edit

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 27 April 2016 20:40 (eight years ago) link

four weeks pass...

another grad school peer tenured : /

j., Wednesday, 25 May 2016 05:30 (seven years ago) link

four months pass...

:-/

more or less why i don't keep in touch with my cohort.

meanwhile....

http://www.journalgazette.net/news/local/IPFW-restructuring--Geology--philosophy--women-s-studies-to-be-eliminated-15839023

geology???

ryan, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 20:31 (seven years ago) link

getting harder and harder to avoid the conclusion that going to graduate school was a catastrophic life decision for me. not so much that i blame my naive 25 year old self entirely for that decision but i wish i had seen the writing on the wall much earlier.

ryan, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 20:36 (seven years ago) link

my projected means of coping with that conclusion is that it's not really like any other career path i could have taken would have been wonderful (though financially better? no doubt), so let's be pleased that i at least managed to drop out of the rat-race for a few years and pursue something i am perversely and pointlessly interested in.

also having a book is something to be proud of, and feels like the kind of thing ppl eventually look back on and are glad they did.

i think that's the right attitude. i was listening to some alan watts lecture (lol at me, don't judge) and he was talking about advising students and the old question: "what would you do with your life if money was no object?" and i thought "well, i was able to do it!" it just looks like it won't be for my whole life. and while there's undeniably been some sacrifices entailed i can't regret it entirely.

ryan, Tuesday, 18 October 2016 23:15 (seven years ago) link

perhaps it is interesting to compare your life decision with that of a person who decided to be an artist. if they make it through their 30s with some successes but never really the kind that let them 'be artists', need they regard themselves as having failed 'at life' in the same ways as academics do?

j., Wednesday, 19 October 2016 00:41 (seven years ago) link

that's a helpful way to look at it--and really i always did look at it that way, as if the phd was just some accreditation or rubber stamp that allowed me to do what i thought was really important. meanwhile i grew up and discovered my dismal career prospects. but yes to recall the ~thing itself~ that drew you in the first place is the best antidote to the internal monologue of failure.

ryan, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 03:59 (seven years ago) link

i mean there is a real difference. artists can generally look to audiences, performances, sales, even if they're modest, to sit alongside whatever personal value the doing of their art has for them. academic work at its least accessible end doesn't seem to have the same outlets, and the analogues all seem to put you in kind of an advisorial/conferential role, if not that of a retailer of your knowledge (writing blog posts, academic journalism, etc.). maybe it has to do with the effect hoped for in each case.

j., Wednesday, 19 October 2016 04:12 (seven years ago) link

oh i see. a big part of it (at least for me) is that you can more or less call yourself an artist for the rest of your life and continue to do art, but to call yourself a scholar while not being a professor of some kind seems wrong. i try to imagine if i'll ever have the will to try to write another book but doing it outside the institutional support of academia seems somehow pointless (not to mention that the odds of it getting published are then greatly diminished). particularly since the kind of work i want to do is only gonna find an academic audience...

ryan, Wednesday, 19 October 2016 04:38 (seven years ago) link

three weeks pass...

what's the best way to track the work of scholars that you like? can you create like a 'favorites' list on google scholar or something?

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Sunday, 13 November 2016 02:06 (seven years ago) link

you can!

wanderly braggin' (seandalai), Sunday, 13 November 2016 02:07 (seven years ago) link

lots of them use academia.edu lately, which is a (for-profit, trying to find a way to turn a profit on it per usual these days for website startups) social network that academics use to follow each other, share papers (often in versions that are easier to access than paywalled journal content), etc.

you don't have to be affiliated with a university to start an account.

j., Sunday, 13 November 2016 03:00 (seven years ago) link

Researchgate.net is similar as well - I guess also for-profit, not sure.

ljubljana, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:01 (seven years ago) link

and ssrn for social science, and arxiv for mathematical sciences and physics

j., Monday, 14 November 2016 03:11 (seven years ago) link

I recently got an email from academia.edu notifying me that someone had cited my research (presumably my master's thesis, or maybe some stuff i RA'd?), but I had never made an account before

flopson, Monday, 14 November 2016 03:15 (seven years ago) link

creepy!

yeah that's one of the ways they're trying to monetize it, you pay to access information about that kind of 'mention'. they also have search result logs for individual pages and hosted papers that sometime in the past year or two started blocking out host information from academic visitors, so that you pay to unlock that too, and either gather information from it or, more likely, just stoke/stroke your ego.

j., Monday, 14 November 2016 03:28 (seven years ago) link

Depends on your field, but ResearchGate allows following others' output - I think it's mostly biomed but maybe that's just the part I see.

MatthewK, Monday, 14 November 2016 04:27 (seven years ago) link

two weeks pass...

'Best practices' docs are so much better than academic papers.

rap is dad (it's a boy!), Saturday, 3 December 2016 05:17 (seven years ago) link

low bar

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 December 2016 05:34 (seven years ago) link

needs placement on trenchant / challop quad diagram

El Tomboto, Saturday, 3 December 2016 05:34 (seven years ago) link

four weeks pass...

the writing center info page for faculty at my university provides 'workshops' in the form of… videos… by writing center staff

j., Sunday, 1 January 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

Got to sit on the other side of the interview table today, which was interesting.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 20 April 2017 00:32 (seven years ago) link

Without giving too much away, my role was obv minor but it was a little nerve-wracking to be reminded that within a year or two, after my appointment runs out, I'll probably be lucky to be in their shoes at an interview (if I stay in this mill). Felt empathetic. Also notable to get a sense of what it's like when a committee has to deliberate between frankly overqualified candidates in a pinch.

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 20 April 2017 15:55 (seven years ago) link

Btw, does anyone know of literature on the job search experiences/career paths of people who got faculty jobs in the 70s and 80s?

My Body's Made of Crushed Little Evening Stars (Sund4r), Thursday, 20 April 2017 16:02 (seven years ago) link

I want to study more--about to look into a class :)

surm, Thursday, 20 April 2017 16:08 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

Alert: https://chroniclevitae.com/jobs/0000375169-01

Five Andrew W. Mellon Postdoctoral Fellowships in the Humanities are available for the 2018-2019 academic year on the general theme of STUFF.

ryan, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:25 (six years ago) link

the general theme of STUFF

Perfect ILE board description, but I'll steal it for myself, for now.

the general theme of STUFF (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 16:38 (six years ago) link

the whatever turn in the humanities

jmm, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link

I feel like these cutesy postdoc themes have really become a popular trend in the last 5 years or so.

ryan, Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link

https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/swarm

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 25 July 2017 17:48 (six years ago) link

Today, during a Q&A session at a major conference in my field, the first question was: “You claim that your paper is novel, but I don’t see the novelty. What’s the novelty?” The author of the paper tried to explain, but the questioner was relentless and kept insisting that the paper was “less than minor” and “bad for science.” Thankfully, the questioner, after a few minutes (and some boos and jeers from the audience) sat down. It was insane and terrible. Academia can be the worst.

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 06:25 (six years ago) link

It also had the trifecta of class, gender, and racial undertones (the presenter is a female post-doc at a Chinese university and the questioner is a well-known male professor as an elite Germany university).

Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, 26 July 2017 06:28 (six years ago) link

'was ist das noveltee??'

j., Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:15 (six years ago) link

https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/swarm🕸

This looks good. Is it?

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 26 July 2017 10:18 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

ugh tfw your peers are making FULL professor behind like doing nothing

?!?!?

j., Tuesday, 29 August 2017 17:08 (six years ago) link

I have some grad colleagues (who finished after me) at full who've published NOTHING not even from their theses but they're at regional unis in the American Midwest fwiw

there's no direct route to full here, can't be promoted but have to apply when full spots open, so I'll probably have to go to a provincial city to be full and I don't wanna though profs in the provinces often live here and take the train to teach their one day a week or whatever so it's not that bad, plus I hear e.g. Grenoble is nice

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 29 August 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link

atm my academic career is also mostly watching my peers zoom ahead of me. admittedly my current status of fruitlessly striving for exploitatively low-paid temporary lecturing positions doesn't exactly seem like a difficult marker to surpass, but,

yeah euler that's exactly the kind of career i'm goggling at, some other schools - not top ones - it even looks more like it's tenure-denial-ready

j., Tuesday, 29 August 2017 18:09 (six years ago) link

a la 'well we appreciate that you did good work, but it's just not enough'

j., Tuesday, 29 August 2017 18:13 (six years ago) link

this was making the rounds:
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/08/28/more-humanities-phds-are-awarded-job-openings-are-disappearing

the chart at the bottom is oof but conforms with my perception of the trends.

ryan, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 18:49 (six years ago) link

i can hardly believe jobs doubled during my grad school tenure, for just long enough for the market to fall apart after the financial crisis

j., Tuesday, 29 August 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link

good old reliable classics, that's the way to go, no surprises, no letdowns

j., Tuesday, 29 August 2017 18:55 (six years ago) link

i would be interested in seeing those job numbers broken down into specializations. ime a LOT of those "English" jobs are Comp/Rhetoric, Creative Writing, ie not Literature and I think they are taking up a greater and greater share of what's available as well. So pure Lit jobs have dropped even more precipitously.

ryan, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 18:59 (six years ago) link

gotta claw together enough enrollments to keep the doors open with those service courses

j., Tuesday, 29 August 2017 19:56 (six years ago) link

I'm pretty sure my first year college physics lab partner was made full professor before I'd finished grad school! He is a smart cookie though and doubtless deserves it.

badg, Tuesday, 29 August 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

took a look, out of morbid curiosity, at the MLA job list for English and wow is it a disaster.

ryan, Wednesday, 4 October 2017 14:45 (six years ago) link

my employer (one of my employers) is hiring for a fixed-term job like mine but better. it has some criteria that i could fail to meet or could be beaten out in by a better candidate, but it certainly seems ripe for the internal-hire-we-know-can-do-the-job scenario that is the adjunct's fantasy. (and i won't lose the job i do precariously have in any case.) so i'm gonna apply. but it's been so long since i applied for anything seriously that the prospect of shaping up my materials is anxiety-inducing.

j., Tuesday, 10 October 2017 22:15 (six years ago) link


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