S/D: Mid-to-late-'90s alt-rock-electronic-ish stuff that was probably on a soundtrack somewhere and is now severely out of taste but that I love

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also important to this sort of thing is Things I Hate About You, specifically its major-label interpretation of "angry girl music of the indie rock persuasion"

I always think of the endpoint somewhere around 2004, which was Mean Girls and Regina mocking Cady for not knowing Katy Rose's "Overdove"

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 03:01 (eight years ago) link

*Overdrive, also

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 03:03 (eight years ago) link

The first thing that came to mind was Hooverphonic's "2Wicky" on the I Know What You Did Last Summer soundtrack.

And Mono's "Life in Mono" on Great Expectations.

LimbsKing, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 03:13 (eight years ago) link

i am trying to think of the best Ivy track to put here

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 03:26 (eight years ago) link

also omg this is my new favorite thread THANK YOU KATHERINE

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 03:26 (eight years ago) link

is this electronic enough?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQxgRt1vJgQ

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 03:29 (eight years ago) link

wait i meant this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7Gz2WDJibk

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 03:29 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D61Sje2Ts4

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 03:30 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa6HVMwTl5U

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 03:34 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydjzF6mJ-9I

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 03:51 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOyAsgalu3I

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 03:57 (eight years ago) link

the frontwoman of this group went on to make "i'm still hot," of covered-by-betty-white-in-a-meme fame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQZhyVAJFNg

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 04:02 (eight years ago) link

I think even before Garbage and/or Republica, this was probably the genesis of the trend (though the lack of guitars being mixed with the electronics might dq it)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4MPPOTarDM

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 04:19 (eight years ago) link

^ nah, now that I've skimmed the rest of the thread, I see that's not really what you're going for.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 04:27 (eight years ago) link

Where does Is This Desire? fit into this thread?

jaymc, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 06:13 (eight years ago) link

Too arty.

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 06:14 (eight years ago) link

The Great Expectations soundtrack has Tori Amos' "Siren" which is the perfect example of established artists reacting to this trend.

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 06:15 (eight years ago) link

I'd probably circumscribe the time period quite strictly because I do feel like by the end of the 90s the coalition-qualities of the major label notion of "alternative" - music that, regardless of specific genre or sonic affectations, sounded like it was angling for a Spin cover - had totally splintered.

By the time the third Garbage album came out in late 2001 it felt very outmoded.

Other key moments:

1. The Romeo & Juliet soundtrack from the beginning of 2007, with the truly archetypal trip hop remix of Garbage's "#1 Crush";
2. The Cruel Intentions soundtrack from March 2001, with the Elizabeth Frazer / Craig Armstrong collabo.

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 06:29 (eight years ago) link

Those dates should be early 1997 and March 1999 obv.

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 06:30 (eight years ago) link

i was scrolling through this thread for the first time and was like whoa, serendipity when "2wicky" was mentioned, before i noticed the date and remembered that we don't control beyoncé, she controls us

cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 10:30 (eight years ago) link

(isn't trip-hop the elephant in the room here? my memories are indistinct but i recall a lot of "american rock acts trying to recreate trip-hop from a long distance" vibes)

(i'd love to know whether there were any equipment/technology changes that spurred on the electronic experimentation! i've tried to get tori amos to talk about her siren/datura/iieee phase on at least two occasions now but she can be extremely non-specific when she wants)

cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 10:32 (eight years ago) link

great expectations and romeo + juliet soundtracks both feel v key to this - the former is the only place i ever heard poe - but actually returning to the track listings doesn't seem to bear this out? actually both seem kind of grim?

cher guevara (lex pretend), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 10:34 (eight years ago) link

been a long time since i listened, but i seem to recall suzanne vega adding some electronica/noise/beats to her thing for the "99.9F" album.
suspect some of that album would be suitable for this thread ?

mark e, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 10:49 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD5O4gdSPro

I big this record up every five years but nobody cares, so here I go again.

Also the Furslide album is brilliant, Jennifer Turner just vanished into the ether after that, which is a huge shame. I own more than two thirds of the records whose YouTubes are in this thread, predictably.

oh, boy, .GIF! That's where I'm a Viking! (edwardo), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 10:59 (eight years ago) link

OMG OMG OMG i remembered the song that is the absolute pinnacle of this aesthetic and also the worst song posted in this thread so far:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEHKVaASeOg

Tim F, Tuesday, 3 May 2016 13:32 (eight years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0O2-xV5XEA

Allen (etaeoe), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 14:08 (eight years ago) link

Another soundtrack touchstone of this sound was the one for Spawn from '97, which had a Judgement Night-style pairing of Rock & Electronic artists.

http://www.allmusic.com/album/spawn-the-album-mw0000030260

Now I Know How Joan of Arcadia Felt (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 14:56 (eight years ago) link

this is also early 2000s but I made the thread and I say it fits

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G71-f08GeDk

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Tuesday, 3 May 2016 16:23 (eight years ago) link

this just sounds like grizzly bear today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay79zwejwf4

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Friday, 6 May 2016 19:25 (eight years ago) link

wtf this is what Grizzly Bear sounds like????

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 7 May 2016 01:56 (seven years ago) link

the "built around a peppy piano riff" part, silly

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Saturday, 7 May 2016 03:38 (seven years ago) link

i have listened to v little GB and got rly excited for a minute a :/

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 7 May 2016 04:06 (seven years ago) link

that song sounds like a more frivolous Saint Etienne

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Saturday, 7 May 2016 04:11 (seven years ago) link

three guesses what reminded me of this today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT8PLB-zsV0

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Monday, 9 May 2016 13:36 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pURJDToKA0k

afriendlypioneer, Monday, 9 May 2016 13:56 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QORg0kMaqRg

kornrulez6969, Monday, 9 May 2016 15:59 (seven years ago) link

Not quite sure if this fits this thread, but I've always liked this song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeDs-jZBh5s

MarkoP, Monday, 9 May 2016 16:02 (seven years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4mcHfZOX5k

cannot believe it has taken me this long to get to ARCHIVE.

their second album (now disowned by the band) epitomizes this sub-genre.

mark e, Monday, 9 May 2016 16:51 (seven years ago) link

one month passes...

there must be something in the air bc i decided to finally try n get into garbage a couple mo. back & was really digging the overarching vibe

weirdly i completely love this aesthetic but the actual execution of it feels extremely spotty to me. IDK if it's just that I wish there was someone to distill the general sensation into something more pop or what but yeah

except for ivy's album which is pretty perfect.

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 7 July 2016 05:06 (seven years ago) link

Of course i was familiar w/ Garbage from high school but i never owned their CDs or anything

Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Thursday, 7 July 2016 05:07 (seven years ago) link

Did we already talk about Curve's "Chinese Burn" and specifically that time Buffy and Faith danced to it at some awesome underground club in a factory (the kind that only exists in video clips, The Matrix and, seemingly, Buffy The Vampire Slayer) in the middle of the day?

Tim F, Thursday, 7 July 2016 10:30 (seven years ago) link

they exist for real in Berlin! Maybe all these ppl are secretly going to Berlin real quick to dance?

sexy dander (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 7 July 2016 13:06 (seven years ago) link

six months pass...

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