Come anticipate CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR with me

join my team for sexy hunks and paul rudd if you're into that

accords would have been worth it for a gyrich sighting

Paul Rudd made me glad I haven't seen Ant Man.

anywho just saw this again - enjoyed it even more the second time around.

Unlike Avengers 1 or GOTG, it was short on the funny to break up the punchy.

Like Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron, I immediately forgot the plot. Nonetheless, it was fun and mostly enjoyable. I really enjoyed the action sequences.

- Tony Stark's position is insane. A year ago in this universe SHIELD was destroyed by Hydra spies.
- Captain America has no discernible position. His name is Captain AMERICA. Why not reuse common American fears of the United Nations?
- Tony Stark is a sociopath. He confronts the costs of the Avengers and immediately asks a teenager to fight a group of superheroes.
- Vision, like Hulk and Thor, suffers from the problem of being too powerful. Ant-Man and Hawkeye are capable of fighting someone with an infinity stone?
- I guess Marvel introduced magic with Black Panther. I assumed they would introduce it with Doctor Strange and Iron Fist. In a world with magic, Scarlet Witch is an Inhuman?
- It's disappointing that the cinematic universe has become completely detached from the ABC and NetFlix universes.

It was never really connected. Jeph Loeb runs TV and I get the impression the MCU folks think he's and idiot

Right about Vision though. I assumed he was going to abstain from the fight and go meditate on a mountain or something

i get the vision/jarvis thing but must we really be stuck with ireland man

- Tony Stark's position is insane. A year ago in this universe SHIELD was destroyed by Hydra spies.

This is my main point of contention with his position. Who knows if Hydra (or another similar group, I guess, since they were supposedly just totally wiped out in Agents of SHIELD) has infiltrated any other organizations and is just salivating over the idea of having a team of powered individuals under their thumb to use as they see fit. And even if that isn't the case, I don't think it would take Tony long to realize that he was being used as just the sort of weapon he pointedly stopped manufacturing.

A lot of people here thought that was some sort of half-assed "localisation" effort when Age of Ultron came out. It's fucking terrible, yeah

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It was never really connected. Jeph Loeb runs TV and I get the impression the MCU folks think he's and idiot

― Number None, Tuesday, May 10, 2016 7:39 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They were initially very connected, at least in terms of the movies' impact on the shows. It is disheartening that there seems to be so little communication between the two camps at present, but there's nothing hugely contradictory between the movies and the tv shows at the moment, so I wouldn't think it'd be that hard to bring things back around. Tonight's SHIELD is supposed to follow on the events of Civil War so I guess we'll see how perfunctory that winds up being.

truly incredible michael j fox impression from english spider teen imo. like perfect

Finally saw this last night — the showing I tried last Thursday was sold out. I liked it fine. It was a bowl of my favorite cereal. Lots of marshmallow bits.

...I'm not sure why I'm not more enthused about it -- it got just about everything right. I think I'm just mad at myself for turning into my grandmother. ("Shhhh! My programs are coming on.")

i liked sad vision at the end playing sadly chess w himself. wld like a three-cam samily sitcom w he and SW

samily=family

It was largely S.H.I.E.L.D. that was compromised as well as their S.T.R.I.K.E. division and the Gary Standing senator. And S.H.I.E.L.D. is pretty much extinct now.

Besides...it was foreign government's insistence on oversight because civilian loss happened on *their* soil. 100+ governments signed cos they were tired of the Avengers (now pretty much rogue instead of overseen by S.H.I.E.L.D.) going into foreign land and causing civilian death. Considering their first foray overseas as a group was to squash a being they created, not so farfetched.

The U.N. didn't have significant compromise. An unaffiliated death gang dude stalked and murdered the real UN guy (not Hydra, just a rogue grieving civilian).

Captain doesn't even cite any fear of compromise in his reasoning. His reasoning was purely "what if they tell us to go somewhere we don't think we should go, or don't let us go where we should".

And...he is almost ready to sign *while Bucky is being interrogated*. He only backs out because he finds out Scarlet Witch is temporarily housebound.

The main catalyst in cementing his decision? A clumsy quote from his deceased ex-lover conveniently placed at a funeral (one of the more eye-rolly moments).

It's also worth noting that in the cinematic universe, Cappy has always reported to see, either in the US government, or S.H.I.E.L.D. (unlike Iron Man). This is really the first time he's been part of an unaffiliated team. Maybe he's still bitter about S.H.I.E.L.D. getting compromised but he never voices or implies that as a reason.

*see=someone

i liked sad vision at the end playing sadly chess w himself. wld like a three-cam samily sitcom w he and SW

― How Butch, I mean (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, May 10, 2016 8:20 AM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You should probably check out the current Vision comic, where he's living in domestic bliss with an android family of his creation.

i mean he was pretty much the "regulation hurts more than it helps, maaaaaaan" guy

well yeah the 'a' on his head doesn't stand for 'france' /trenchant

can't fathom how anybody wouldn't be (I apologize for this in advance) #teamironman after seeing this.

(insert list of humanitarian crises where the UN couldn't agree to intervene)

maybe the un is an incredibly effective global peacekeeper in the mcu

Was just thinking re: Nigeria. If they knew there was a bio weapon in there, and it was bad, and they knew the bad guys were coming to get it, then why be all sneaky and wait for the bad guys when they could just ether protect the bio weapon or take it somewhere else? I know they're called the Avengers, but they should get proactive. Interventioners?

What did happen with the bio MacGuffin, anyway?

They didn't know whatshisface from Winter Soldier was going for the bio weapon, they were initially protecting a bank, I think. Their goal was to capture him initially.

Black Widow caught it before it hit the ground before he blew himself up.

I guess Marvel introduced magic with Black Panther.

I think I missed this?

i get the vision/jarvis thing but must we really be stuck with ireland man

I really missed this.

I think I missed this?

IIRC, it was something like "We have a king and a Black Panther. I am both."

So super savvy Avengers were gathered en masse in Africa to ... capture Crossbones? Who they thought was there to ... rob a bank? They should introduce a super villain called Red Flag, whose power is to confuse people that his presence isn't at all conspicuous.

(Obv. Nigeria stuff didn't matter, just MacGuffin widgets in motion. More mysterious is how grouchy grudge-holder bad guy snuck into the same hit security room with public enemy number one to do his stuff without even the benefit of a disguise - don't they check IDs? - but whatevs.)

high security, not hit

They were there to capture Crossbones because they'd been tracking him for some time and the setting was incidental to the capture?

"We have a king and a Black Panther. I am both." - this is just distinguishing one title from another? Obv. the king would have passed on the mantle (which seemed to be just very high tech supersuit) some years ago.

I don't know if it's going to be a thing in the MCU but, in the comics, Black Panther gets his power from a panther god. I assume this is what's being referred to.

They may just go the 'very high tech supersuit' route.

Well yeah that's what I'm saying, they seemed to (if you knew what you're listening for) audibly pass up the opportunity to do anything of that sort.

OTOH, Thor is an actual god.

There's only one God, and he doesn't dress like that

http://i0.wp.com/www.towleroad.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/tom-hiddleston-high-rise-stills-08-435x580.jpg

TBF, they've pretty firmly steered the MCU perspective towards viewing Asgardians as an alien species.

what's the diff, really

I can sort of see why people thought this was uneven but I really respect the pacing and how they rationed the breadcrumbs so that while we were heading to Siberia I still hadn't figured out how they were going to set up the climactic fistfight from the trailers. I think if I had seen this on the small screen I would have done the plot math before the first act was over, but there was too much to look at. Sound design was terrific too. A lot of movies like this will give you subwoofer fatigue but I didn't get that. Noticed the sound design much more than the score (a little disappointing there because I thought the score in Winter Soldier was one of the highlights).

I loved the escape chase sequence where Bucky, T'Challa and Cap are all running at pace or faster than the moving traffic in the tunnel. That was really nicely done, I thought.

Tony's motivation was clearly all about his ego - when Black Widow pins him down for this he has no response, he just goes to the island prison to get more gratification because hey guys I figured it out how can I help? Then he makes the choice to completely fall for Zemo's plan and ends up having his ass handed to him. Well deserved.

I thought they did a decent job of making Cap's decision seem difficult even though the people encouraging him to sign - Ross and Stark - are both oblivious, facial-hair-grooming pricks who are completely full of themselves. Black Widow and War Machine are accustomed to working inside a sanctioned hierarchy, so that makes sense for them, but the Vision I couldn't figure out. I guess since he hasn't quite determined what the Mind Stone is capable of he has a lot of sympathy for the idea that there must be checks on power.

At the end of the movie Tony still hasn't figured out jack shit about where all his problems really come from, has he?

BTW, as far as I could tell, they needed to go to Siberia to complete Zemo's convoluted plan because he didn't have the tape. He started out working from rumors, then verbal corroboration from the subject, then the location of the evidence itself. I would be happy to see more Zemo scheming in a future one of these, no idea which of the forthcoming movies that might fit in, though.

Ant-Man and Spider-Man were so much fun in the battle royale. You can say they felt shoehorned in but I think it was critical to drop them in for that fight to make sure the whole thing wasn't all 140 minutes of dour, emo clanging and angry-looking eye slits

"Hi, I know you too, you're great."
"I thought that was a water truck."
"You guys know that really old movie, Empire Strikes Back?"

Post-credits scene was worth it too.

xxposts agree w/ most all of that. I still have issue with Captain America's side though because the noise was being made by foreign countries, who via government and civilian mouthpieces, were all loudly complaining about the interference by the Avengers on their soil. Whereas the Avengers/Winter Soldier conflicts took place on their own soil. In those aforementioned flicks, the fight was taken directly to them to where they had no choice but to interfere (lest millions get killed or enslaved in a matter of minutes.

Their foreign forays weren't so rosy. Yeah, they kind of did have an obligation to fix the fuckup Stark made that basically felled Segovia, but it was Stark's hubris that caused the threat to begin with. And they were in Africa on their own, unannounced, and iced a bunch of people in a building.

foreign countries all screaming "STOP HELPING!", Captain America's position = "naw bro, we'll still show up in your country when we deem necessary", then helps destroy an entire airport parking garage (and many aircraft) in Leipzig as well as putting civilian motorists in danger. Not saying he didn't wind up being *right* in the end, but foreign countries/civilians (who are not themselves guilty of genocide or oppressing their own peoples) do kinda have a right to say "hey uhh how about you not come over here until we say it's ok".

but that does kinda fly in the face of superheroes and how they do their own thing so fuck it, I'ma go watch Gunga Din

the thing I liked most about the battle royale was the different levels of seriousness going on all at the same time - black panther is dead-set on killing bucky, hawkeye and black widow are looking at it as one step up from a sparring match, iron man and cap are fighting for their principles, ant-man and spidey are just glad to be along for the ride... makes it so much more entertaining and layered than grimdark punchpunchpunch

the empire strikes back gag did feel a little bit too much like disney metacongratulating itself about owning so many huge pop-culture properties

Ant-Man's "whoa-ho-ho" when he becomes massive is still a fav moment. I mean he's a badass but even Stark asks him "who are you", he earns his stripes by kicking ass without being seen and finally gets to be a very visible, menacing badass. cool moment.

The maguffin was as stupid as maguffins always are but this was good

Like tbh this bucky craic is fuck off obv death penalty and it should never have had one movie based on it let alone a second.

Ant-Man going giant was the best thing they held back from in the previews

foreign countries all screaming "STOP HELPING!", Captain America's position = "naw bro, we'll still show up in your country when we deem necessary"

Dammit Cap, stop being so AMERICA all the time

Ant Man going giant made me sad that I'm not versed in the comics cos they all sensed what was coming and started murmuring seconds before, excited with child-like energy.

how I long for those .0003 seconds of joy

So I'm confused about something. The Zemo in this is just ... some guy? Because how in the world did he learn about the Winter Soldier, let alone the entire program, let alone the importance of that day, let alone how to build a giant electro-pulse bomb, let alone infiltrate, etc. He was this super-master criminal evil villain, yet they make him just an aggrieved guy.