Come anticipate CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR with me

the thing I liked most about the battle royale was the different levels of seriousness going on all at the same time - black panther is dead-set on killing bucky, hawkeye and black widow are looking at it as one step up from a sparring match, iron man and cap are fighting for their principles, ant-man and spidey are just glad to be along for the ride... makes it so much more entertaining and layered than grimdark punchpunchpunch

the empire strikes back gag did feel a little bit too much like disney metacongratulating itself about owning so many huge pop-culture properties

Ant-Man's "whoa-ho-ho" when he becomes massive is still a fav moment. I mean he's a badass but even Stark asks him "who are you", he earns his stripes by kicking ass without being seen and finally gets to be a very visible, menacing badass. cool moment.

The maguffin was as stupid as maguffins always are but this was good

Like tbh this bucky craic is fuck off obv death penalty and it should never have had one movie based on it let alone a second.

Ant-Man going giant was the best thing they held back from in the previews

foreign countries all screaming "STOP HELPING!", Captain America's position = "naw bro, we'll still show up in your country when we deem necessary"

Dammit Cap, stop being so AMERICA all the time

Ant Man going giant made me sad that I'm not versed in the comics cos they all sensed what was coming and started murmuring seconds before, excited with child-like energy.

how I long for those .0003 seconds of joy

So I'm confused about something. The Zemo in this is just ... some guy? Because how in the world did he learn about the Winter Soldier, let alone the entire program, let alone the importance of that day, let alone how to build a giant electro-pulse bomb, let alone infiltrate, etc. He was this super-master criminal evil villain, yet they make him just an aggrieved guy.

Zemo was a colonel from an elite death gang in Sokovia in the movie, not just a regular civilian. they briefly mention it after they find out he framed Bucky by using facial prosthesis. it was one of those moments where if you went to take a leak, you'd miss.

Yeah imma just say that's shit weak stuff, again not that plot matters

Oh, a colonel? In a death squad? Ah grand so that's it all explained.

Why do they bother its a distraction when they try to justify this stuff. COMIC BOOK MOVIE FFS get the colours fight and make the zings snappy

Ah now, we don't call them colours any more.

One thing I had a huge problem with was Stank recruiting an untrained 15-year-old kid, based on some Youtube videos, to participate in a very serious fight where he knows one player intends to play cat's cradle with another guy's guts. But then I realized that that's exactly the sort of thing Tony "Ultron? What Could Go Wrong?" Stark would do.

Yeah, what if Spider-man turned out to be an incompetent jerk?

Tony Stark wouldn't have done that for just any kid - he had to check that Peter was completely starstruck by him first.

Xxxpost they literally devoted less time to explaining it than you've spent batching about it.

*bitching

At deems

There was a one-off "well, all the shield/hydra files were leaked to the world by you people and I decoded the right encrypted ones to fuck with you" statement

One assumes that since Stark had devoted the time and resources to sussing out Spider-Man's identity, he'd also spent some time secretly assessing his fitness for a mission of this sort. While still, yes, being Stark and throwing an untrained kid into a totally dangerous situation.

Meh to that. I'm a lot cheaper per minute and the point of message boards is bitch. Three hundred million worth of screen time was spent on plot points that made no sense that nobody cared about. It's OK it was a good brawler regardless.

I thought about that, like is anyone gonna call out Stark for bringing a stretch pants kid to an armor engagement with Spetsnaz and SOF guys (and the fucking Mind Stone) but, yeah, Cap brought a twenty something who has PTSD. Same same on that front.

This movie's main character arc is RDJ playing a guy who is tragically incapable of working on his narcissistic issues. Cap's little epilogue missive (on paper! What old man still writes paper ass letters) and dropping the shield- is all about trying to be the example, to a person he values a great deal, but won't ever listen.

happy that Steve gets the high ground, his friend back, and the girl at the end and Stark gets called Stank and has to live with being a jerk

Spiderling

So my prediction is that Zemo comes back for the Ant Man sequel. I can't figure another number in the queue that provides a likely venue for terrestrial / mortal / non-cosmic conspiracy business.

I look at almost all these stories (in fact, I look at almost all stories) through the lens of individuals versus the institutions they serve. In my civil servant dreams, I envy Cap's latitude in being able to choose to operate as a truly stateless badass. I have no idea how he pays for his lodging, meals and incidentals, but clearly he has Bourne Identity cash and various passports somewhere, perhaps socked away inside his incognito ballcap. Anyway.

Stark IS the institution he works for - all the infrastructure of the Avengers post-S.H.I.E.L.D. is because of his billionaire largesse - so he's giving up nothing by signing the accords, in fact, he's probably saving money by doing so. God he's such a douche in this movie. RDJ does an excellent job selling it.

there's a 25 minute short film waiting to be made where Cap "loses" his ballcap and Michael Pena's character "finds" it, and realizes there's all these velcro pockets full of fake IDs and international currency, and then there's some kind of hilarious chase where Cap just has a hell of a time catching up to Pena, who then realizes who is after him and why, and then they reconcile and decide "this never happened, we were never here" just as some disaster is happening and they team up to save hundreds of civilians from being drowned in the Canarsie tunnel.

"You're no chicken. Where you from?"
"The Bronx!"
"Brooklyn."
IT WRITES ITSELF

oh and how did I forget this - best line of the film by far, but it comes in the middle of so much other awesome stuff -

"that thing doesn't obey any of the laws of physics at all!"

I may be paraphrasing

vibranium is pretty amazing stuff

Paper Ass Letter pretty underrated Beatle tune

I loved the escape chase sequence where Bucky, T'Challa and Cap are all running at pace or faster than the moving traffic in the tunnel. That was really nicely done, I thought.
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I thought that was one point where the CGI was noticeable. Looked a bit clumsy to me. Will probably stand out even more in years to come.

I haven't seen anybody mention the Easter Eggs in the film. The mid crediuts scene with Cappy and the Black panther and the post credits thing which is probably a toy tie in and defintely more of a Spidey trailer.
But then maybe everybody already knows taht marvel films tend to have those extra bits, I was the only person in my cinema to hang around for the Spidey one though.

I did wonder who wound up having to pay for the airport nad the tunnel in Czech republic ( think that's where it was but couldn't see why Buckky then wound up in Berlin. Is that more of a UN base or something?).
THought it interesting that both this and superman v batman had a theme of collateral damage. Then both went on to create a lot more. Though I guess there is lasting personal collateral damage in that scene.

Was this an almost direct retelling of teh Civil War story from, is that, 10 years ago. Though recast as less racist or speciesist since not about mutants. Or has there been a print revisiting of that idea that this is based on?
I do see above taht this is different to what the original storyline for the Captain America film that became this was going to be.
Did enjoy the spectacle though.

Also has ant-man/giantman not got more direct control over his size. I was a little surprised that he didn't manipulate the change more as a combat technique. Might have got him out of some of the later stuff. But there you go, I guess he hasn't used the large size overmuch so might not be thinking about things in the heat of battle.

I'd say the studio paid for the airport runway etc

Ant-Man clearly says he isn't totally in control of the being giant thing yet

I loved the idea of them running faster than traffic, that's the kind of ludicrous scene that comic book movies should be filled with. I agree that it looked a bit clumsy, though.

Bucky hid in Bucharest, Rumania. I'm not sure they went to Berlin? The UN thing was in Vienna and the airport was in Leipzig, and it's all very confusing all of a sudden and I might be wrong.

This deserves an Oscar-nomination for Best Adaptation, btw. The difficulty to make all these disparate plotpoints fit together is way higher than boring pap like Brooklyn that was nominated this year. From a purely technical standpoint, it was a marvel. I don't much care for well written films, though, and I was kinda disappointed by the film. Not quite enough charm and grace, a bit too much pompousness. Best Marvel is still the one with the talking raccoon.

did someone here mention that chase sequence being a goofy visual joke, where the cameras themselves can't keep up with Bucky/Panther/Cap etc?. might have been a review i read

The location for the scene where the motor convoy arrives is written across the screen as Berlin. I don't know what the logistics are.

I heard Ant-man say this was something he'd been working on in his lab. But the size thing was mainly if he was a different size to what his opponents were expecting at that moment it woulmd have been enough to screw up their tactics. Can't remember what his size control works on. Is it a button he needs to press?

I thought the chase was fantastic, genuinely had to remember to breathe during it.

Had completely forgotten that Stark had his heart fixed at the end of IM3 so that the reactor is only a reactor now.

Yeah only remembered that afterwards.

The rhythm of the chase sequence was pretty good I just thought they way they looked when they ran was a bit strange looking.

Then wondered if it was Stark, the local government or who that was going to have to pay for extensive repair to the structure of the tunnel once they were through.
Also had me thinking that at one point in the 70s or 80s Spidey had to come up with a time sensitive webbing so taht there weren't great masses of used web all over whatever they call New York in that series. Think it's supposed to melt aftera couple of hours or something.
But superhero destruction was a real problem in the universe. & as shown in Lagos not just a 1st world one.

Actually can't think of a moneyed source that would pick up on damage caused by Captain America if he's on the outs with Stark. So is this what local tax dollars or whatever currency then needs to be diverted to instead of where it should have been in the council budget.
Do wonder how sound a tunnel is going to be if part of it's support structure has been knocked out. Or whatever structural damage was caused during this fight sequence. Would probably be a big con against govts calling international rescue or the Avengers or whoever. BUt maybe the idea of a visceral action film has been about the continual now instead of the aftermath. & the recent idea is to try to keep it real? Seems to be a them in both this and teh batman/superman not sure about elsewhere.

Probably need to watch the film again anyway.

pretty sure they call it "new york" btw. forest hills, queens is a real place.

That's one of Marvel's big things, that it's not glittering Metropolis or cloud-scudded Gotham, it's New York (which has a slight magical sheen anyway to a lot of their audience a) because it's where Marvel happens and b) anyway)

thought this was ok. disappointed that they still haven't pulled the trigger on miles morales - don't get what they're waiting for.

they haven't had Spider-Man at all until this movie. when could they have done Miles Morales?

there was some dumb argument about whether Sony has the rights to Spider-Man or just Peter Parker as Spider-Man

also people who think Sony would reboot using Miles instead of Peter yet again

This was solid, better than AoU.

Its international total has hit $645 million, making “Civil War” the fourth-highest -grossing superhero movie of all time behind “Avengers: Age of Ultron” ($946 million), “The Avengers” ($895 million) and “Iron Man 3” ($806 million).

apparently if you pile all 13 Marvel Studios pictures together they've now made over $10B

Yet somehow Disney didn't meet quarterly expectations. How?! These, Pixar, Star Wars ...