Come anticipate CAPTAIN AMERICA: CIVIL WAR with me

That's one of Marvel's big things, that it's not glittering Metropolis or cloud-scudded Gotham, it's New York (which has a slight magical sheen anyway to a lot of their audience a) because it's where Marvel happens and b) anyway)

thought this was ok. disappointed that they still haven't pulled the trigger on miles morales - don't get what they're waiting for.

they haven't had Spider-Man at all until this movie. when could they have done Miles Morales?

there was some dumb argument about whether Sony has the rights to Spider-Man or just Peter Parker as Spider-Man

also people who think Sony would reboot using Miles instead of Peter yet again

This was solid, better than AoU.

Its international total has hit $645 million, making “Civil War” the fourth-highest -grossing superhero movie of all time behind “Avengers: Age of Ultron” ($946 million), “The Avengers” ($895 million) and “Iron Man 3” ($806 million).

apparently if you pile all 13 Marvel Studios pictures together they've now made over $10B

Yet somehow Disney didn't meet quarterly expectations. How?! These, Pixar, Star Wars ...

Expectations were too high, though not by much, and the in-house toy and cable parts of the business didn't do as well.

the bar for success is generally set right above attainable levels when shareholders are involved

So it's already beat Superman v. Batman's total worldwide gross, and it's just about caught up to SvB's total US gross after nine days in release. Nice.

disney owns espn, which until recently was a huge profit driver for them, about $15 billion a year iirc. only not cord cutting has become normalized to have an impact and espn's revenues have started to drop, right when they paid ridiculous af sums for various tv rights. disney's media properties (networks) have been responsible for 50% of their profits and while abc and disney channel and abc family and a&e are nice, espn is obv the rainmaker there. or was. when the thing that was responsible for around 50% of yr profits suddenly might start losing money it's a problem.

This doesn't really work as a standalone film does it? I've seen (I think) every single one of the preceding movies, and have a fair working knowledge of most of the characters from the comics, but I was scratching my head trying to figure out what was going on in parts. If I'd watched all the other films last week I would've been fine. Also they weren't very good at deliniating the different sides or making the stakes that clear or compelling, also they chickened out of giving Cap and Iron Man a genuine and convincing ideological greivance really, basically everyone was being big babies (maybe the point?)

BUT it was amazingly enjoyable nontheless, and the big fight scene was, I thought, INCREDIBLE. The most accurate screen recreation of a comic book superhero fight in both spirit and visuals I've seen. And the new Spidey is totally on the money and totally stole the show. Blows the Maguire and Garfield versions out of the water with a mere cameo. Black Panther was great as well.

What do you reckon you were missing beyond "These cities got trashed"?

The fact that nobody made an argument that the world sould havd fucking ended each time without intervention was kind of a plot canyon nest pas

But again, plot, i mean it's irrelevant however much ppl try to expound on thematic strengths or intricacy and consistency of internal motivations and does it speak to our times these movies work because the gorgeous ppl in the tight shiny outfits did cool things while saying cool things.

this was good, highly entertaining, but yeah all these movies are starting to run together to me, quality-wise at least.

the conflict was more believable than SvB (a low bar, i know) but still, yeah, kinda confused about the ultimatum presented to the superheroes. either sign with the UN or.... stop saving the world?

honestly everyone should have just flown to a tropical island to wait it out until the next alien invasion.

Was that alien invasion being at least partially blamed on the team?
Looked a bit like since they happened to be there the damage was being put down to them & I can't remember the set up in the original film. It was really localised wasn't it. But military high command should have known.
Has there been some explanation given to the population mentioned elsewhere? Cos I think I've heard something & can't think where.

more importantly Stark should have remembered that he personally had to save NYC from being nuked by committee.

& the "or else" was go sit in this prison in the middle of the ocean that we designed for supervillain containment

espn's revenues have started to drop, right when they paid ridiculous af sums for various tv rights

good. espn's stranglehold on sports broadcasting needs to be broken. back when I grew up a child could kick a ball in the street with curt gowdy and howard cosell for free. now you can't watch a little girl play beach volleyball for less than an arm and a leg.

At which stage she's, yknow, shit at volleyball

These are worthwhile: Who wants cartoon Avengers puppies?

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dawwww

yay I'm finally seeing this movie tonight so I can go back and read this thread

It's quite a ride! I'd say the third best Marvel movie, after Guardians of the Galaxy and the first Thor.

Ugh I still haven't seen it. My daughter was born on opening night. Inconsiderate of her really.

djp is due back

Well that was awesome

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The movie or the thread

lol

Just finished reading the thread. I'm not sure what the people complaining were looking for from this movie. I thought every character was fantastically portrayed and that everyone's positions made sense based on who they were. I also thought this reimagining of Zemo was a much more compelling figure than the ranting maniac from the comic books. Kind of bummed that Crossbones blew himself up, makes it much less likely that a Thunderbolts movie will happen.

But if they'll do a Thunderbolts movie, presumably Zemo will still be their leader, and the movie Zemo would never have a HYDRA follower in his team anyway.

Sure but Crossbones was in the "felons controlled by Luke Cage in a thinly-veiled version of Suicide Squad" iteration, not the Zemo iteration

Think the actor who played Crossbones has suggested his character might return, not that it seems all that plausible.

i'm sure everyone's forgotten this already but it was very convenient that it happened to be bucky who killed stark's parents and it happened to be captured on cctv which happened to make it back to siberia (i think??) and it happened to be only stark and cap am and bucky who turned up there (plus black panther who happened to redact himself). i know, forget it jake it's comic book town.

It seemed pretty inconvenient if I'm honest it made it very tricky to resolve the issue without conflict

yeah i would have been happier without the extra 20 minutes of 'enhanced' white dudes slugging each other around. which maybe begs the question why i bother watching these things.

I thought this movie was a humourless clusterfuck (with good Spider-Man bits) and not sure why everyone went crazy over it. Maybe it just got overpraised in the wake of BatVSupes showing just how bad one of these movies *could* get.

well the real civil war was a humorless clusterfuck so

Huh, I would've sworn this was before BvS.

funnily enough i rescreened this again recently and it's fine - didn't like it as much as i did upthread but it does a good job of keeping a lot of characters moving and it's got some cool moments

ledge's point about enhanced folks slugging each other at the climax is fair but i still much prefer the small, personal nature of the conflict to yet another 'gotta close the portal in the sky!' finale

winter soldier is a hard act to follow tbf

oh and the fight choreography is fkn rad, even if there is a bit too much of it

i didn't love it but it's still fine. i don't really get why tony and steve *have* to fight at the end, it's all too idiot plot

but iron man 2 is still the only flat-out bad marvel movie, i think.

Dr Strange. Awful.

Didn't think winter soldier was any better than avg for marvel tho

xps no the REAL Civil War was the friends we made along the way

Winter Soldier was basically Marvel's Bourne movie.

But better because CAPTAIN AMERICA

^^^

deal, I'll watch it again this weekend

russo era marvel makes it obvious that punching is the only way to solve any problem.

(punching was also the solution in the whedon era, but he managed to hide it well.)