HBO's adaptation of Game of Thrones - Thread 2. There are a lot of nerds.

something about the weird little leaps of logic (maybe that's too strong a term, really) or just the way that characters routinely act in service to the plot rather than any sense of their own motivations or intelligence, really drives me batty with this show (as much as i enjoy it.

case in point: ramsay having a totally clean shot at jon (after having proven he can take down a running man at 100 yds!) but deciding to take down the already dying giant because...well i guess just to remind us he's evil. and sure you can justify this any number of ways (ramsay being somewhat a showman, for instance) but in that moment it's just....stupid.

― ryan, Monday, June 20, 2016 1:12 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

i mean.... please remember this is a television show and not something that actually happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you can't remember that you're watching a television show

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but it's so easy to make that scene SO MUCH BETTER why not do it!?

something about the weird little leaps of logic (maybe that's too strong a term, really) or just the way that characters routinely act in service to the plot rather than any sense of their own motivations or intelligence, really drives me batty with this show (as much as i enjoy it.

case in point: ramsay having a totally clean shot at jon (after having proven he can take down a running man at 100 yds!) but deciding to take down the already dying giant because...well i guess just to remind us he's evil. and sure you can justify this any number of ways (ramsay being somewhat a showman, for instance) but in that moment it's just....stupid.

― ryan, Monday, June 20, 2016 12:12 PM (26 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is a good example of the kind of nitpicking I can't stand where you're like, give the show some credit. There are about a million reasons why shooting a giant in the eye to take him down could be the smarter choice. I don't need them to telegraph rationalizations of literally every decision made in the show or make sure that we can see his shot of Jon is obstructed or have someone laboriously explain that he was just going off instinct or whatever other completely reasonable explanation would make it ok that a character did one thing instead of another

It's drama - no one just gets killed obv with the normal hack and slash of battle, it's always a meeting of Heros (especially in the ancient). It's hard to imagine in reality Ramsay wouldn't have been killed by then, but it makes sense dramatically.

i mean.... please remember this is a television show and not something that actually happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― J0rdan S., Monday, June 20, 2016 1:14 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah actual reality makes far less sense

if u guys want to get into some real deep ingenius medieval politics check out wolf hall instead of this trash for lonely teens

This is a good example of the kind of nitpicking I can't stand where you're like, give the show some credit

no, i agree. and you're right. and im not usually like this! im the one usually defending this stuff from the overthinkers and nitpickers. but this show somehow piles it on and it feels like cheap "dramatic" moments without actual interesting drama.

here are about a million reasons why shooting a giant in the eye to take him down could be the smarter choice.

lol yeah i think personally i'd try and kill the thing that i just watched pick my solders up off the group and rip their heads off

I really hope what I'm arguing upthread isn't "overthinking". I mean I concluded it was probably for the sake of extra drama and surprise for the audience, and I was bringing it up so someone perhaps could make clear a character motivation I hadn't yet considered.

attacking any one moment sort of sends us into a black hole of speculation so i'll just say im not convinced and leave it at that.

my more general complaint is that this show seems to start with big set pieces in mind and then works backwards to engineer the characters into those situations. that can certainly work i suppose but i think think the show too often evacuates those moments of any dramatic weight because they feel so transparently engineered.

ugh i cant help it: they made a point to show that the giant was not a threat anymore, not charging ramsay, not doing anything but slowly dying. this is why ramsay killing him is a "moment," it's needless. that's the whole point of that scene.

banning self from thread now.

Well the shooting the giant and not Jon thing can probably be explained by Ramsey wanting to fuck with Jon a little more before killing him. He's not the kind of guy that takes pleasure in killing someone that doesn't know he's the one doing it.

Is that a satisfying reason? I mean that's how I read it.

Yup - at least fall on the guy as you die. But that's not how drama works. Most of these problems come from an increasing desire for realism combined with the normal ideas of drama.

also doubt jon would have just let himself get shot by ramsay's arrow.......

He wasn't looking. Ryan is talking about the arrow that went through Wun Wun's eye.

So, changing topics, was he meant to be the last of the giants?

Yeah... right? Isn't he the very last one?

last one

it stretched the logic of the show for me that the giant would care enough about who owns the north to sacrifice himself for winterfell but it was a nice scene

That's a shame. It's been a while since I read the books, but was this echoed there? I'm not sure i remember the giants as individuals.

I thought the giant was about to restart (and yes, I would like to see him next episode with an eyepatch. Too bad there weren't a few more giants left.

btw sansa w some good insight into sociopathy taunting ramses that hes gonna be totally forgotten

i'm also anti-nitpicking but ramsay not taking down jon when he had the opportunity annoyed me a bit too. i figure it's okay to complain a bit when a show takes you out of things by seeming to defy its own hodge-podge logic

Haha the giant is definitely dead. Now it's just man and some dragons vs. Agent Smith the Night King and his army

That smile was maybe not good though - we don't mind people doing terrible things as long as they don't enjoy it.

ramsay shooting the giant and not jon is totally within the realm of his character imo, i mean remember he had theon and then let him escape so he could continue to fuck with him. i think he knew the game was up and just wanted to get his torture licks in while he could. idk.

i'm also anti-nitpicking but ramsay not taking down jon when he had the opportunity annoyed me a bit too. i figure it's okay to complain a bit when a show takes you out of things by seeming to defy its own hodge-podge logic

― lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Monday, June 20, 2016 1:43 PM (6 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nobody likes my it's-no-fun-for-Ramsay-that-way explanation? Jon wouldn't have known who shot him...

xpost exactly

i think he knew the game was up and just wanted to get his torture licks in while he could. idk.

― nomar, Monday, June 20, 2016 1:44 PM (39 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah he was waiting for the formal one on one w jon! he even declared as much cmon folks!

yeh i mean i don't even necessarily disagree with these defences, it just threw me off a bit

I think it's plausible you'd still be scared the giant was going to survive.

What happens to Sansa's second name now? She a Stark again?

Ramsay has always seemed like a coward, too. Whether his sadism or his cowardice is more dominant I have no idea.
I suspect most sadism is tied to fear/cowardice.

Santa stark lannister bolton...baelish?

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She could marry Jon, I suppose.

Ramsay was definitely planning on taking Jon and torturing him, then parading him round as a trophy. I mean that's exactly what he would do.

Also I'm assuming Varys knows what's going down in the North right now, I mean no way has he allowed Lirtlefinger to just wander round unobserved. Intrigued as to what his next move is.

littlefinger shd prob have her marry lil lord fontleroy from the vale

i mean.... please remember this is a television show and not something that actually happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― J0rdan S., Monday, June 20, 2016 1:14 PM (33 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah actual reality makes far less sense

― lag∞n, Monday, June 20, 2016 1:16 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm both but especially the second part

or this shit is just badly written

― goole, Monday, June 20, 2016 12:50 PM (54 minutes ago) Bookmark

m/l how i break it down to an extent

I was about to say the kid is Sansa's cousin but they're probably not too fussed about that in Westeros.

its simultaneously badly and amazingly written is what makes it good is how i break it down

With my 'horrible hat' on, as well, it seems lots of stuff (the iron born meeting the khaleesi, for example) seem to be happening on a different timescale to ther stuff.

ramsay shooting the giant and not jon is totally within the realm of his character imo, i mean remember he had theon and then let him escape so he could continue to fuck with him. i think he knew the game was up and just wanted to get his torture licks in while he could. idk.

maybe he missed. if you miss you are likely to hit the giant, big target.

still don't get why sean bean was fighting thormund in this though.

sean bean references have become the gaz coombes of the thrones board huh

sorry

Whats gaz coombes