Rolling Brexit Links/UK politics in the neo-Weimar era

Gove and Johnson not in the house

@lbcbreaking: National Police Chiefs' Council: Reports to online hate crime reporting site have increased 57% compared with four weeks ago.

I know Paul Mason gets some stick around here for his weirdo futurism etc but this seems pretty right to me

Our strategic problem is to reconnect not only with the Labour core voters who backed Brexit but also with those who have drifted to Ukip.

I don’t know whether the present leadership can do that; I do know all the previous leaderships failed to do it

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/26/corbyn-leader-brexit-labour-rebels-sabotage

I did read recently that UKIP got more support from defecting Lib Dems than Labour voters in 2015 but idk if that's true.

Yvette Cooper demands cross-party ctte, says "dangerous political vacuum" being left by Cameron

Cameron on N. Ireland border: "oh, that's complicated".

So the real nightmare scenario is not Brexit – it is what happens, socially and economically, when Brexit does not work.

What happens when the investment banks move to Frankfurt, the carmakers to Hungary, the offshore finance wizards to Dublin, the tech companies to newly independent Scotland? What happens when, instead of Poles, it is poor white English people herded into the polytunnels of Kent to pick strawberries for union-busting gangmasters?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/27/global-order-britain-survive-eu-alternative-economic-model

Scottish Lab leader Dugdale rejects case for independence:

I understand why people may move to support independence at this stage, but when you have just removed yourself from your second biggest market, why would you want to leave your first?

(Cameron is a dangerous political vacuum)

Pretty big turnout at the pro-Corbyn rally outside parliament https://twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/747472894268162049

Tim Harford just posted this, hollow lolz galore http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/22/future-britons-will-find-it-hard-to-believe-that-anyone-voted-to/

Whoops

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/27/sp-cuts-united-kingdom-sovereign-credit-rating-to-aa-from-aaa.html

Greenwald approvingly links to "British journalist Tom Ewing" :D

https://theintercept.com/2016/06/25/brexit-is-only-the-latest-proof-of-the-insularity-and-failure-of-western-establishment-institutions/

Curtice says there is a small majority for independence in Scotland, but points out all the polls are shaky at best
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-36646789

This thread is interesting, wasn't sure where best to post it:
https://twitter.com/matthewstoller/status/746765092218277888

Gist of it being that, in the wake of WWII, corporations were seen as saner and safer than nations, and now...

And we're off.

"Juncker says he has imposed a Presidential Ban on all contact between EU officials and UK officials until Art 50."

'I know none of you has ever had a proper job in your lives', Farage tells MEPs to boos. Schulz urges calm: 'Don't act like UKIP'

Farage:

"You all laughed at me. Well, you're not laughing now, are you?"

BBC has cut coverage wtf. Alyn Smith gets a standing ovation for

I speak for Scotland in this house ... Scotland did not let you down, do not let Scotland down now

British fishermen have been warned that, despite the promises made by the leave campaign, they cannot expect to be granted greater catches after the UK leaves the European Union, and they may face increased economic turmoil.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/28/british-fishermen-warned-brexit-will-not-mean-greater-catches

"You all laughed at me. Well, you're not laughing now, are you?"

omg did he actually say this

is that a quote from a serial killer movie?

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/747729114828779521 (Alyn Smith video)

xp Bob Monkhouse: "They laughed when I said I was going to be a comedian. Well, they're not laughing now."

haha yes!

I'm told Boris Johnson has made clear to Tory right he WILL end EU free movement after Telegraph column y'day angered ppl.

The big think-pieces drying up today, huh

Farage:

"You all laughed at me. Well, you're not laughing now, are you?"
― stet, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 10:47

Farage is Walder Frey.

Here's Farage's speech if you can stomach it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36650014

Family rifts over Brexit: ‘I can barely look at my parents’

Jamie, 28, grew up in a council flat with a single mother who worked hard to make their difficult life better for her children. “I’ve always been so proud of her for all the things she sacrificed for us. She’s warm, kind, generous and funny. She has such acute sympathy that she’s been known to cry hearing about the illness of other people’s relatives. Oh, and she also hates immigrants.”

It is not a prejudice that Jamie shares. “My mum voted to leave the EU because she doesn’t want non-British citizens here. Despite the fact that my brother and I have been extremely vocal about our reasons for staying in, she’s chosen to vote out because she doesn’t like the local Asian population. It makes no sense to me.

“When she tells me wildly embellished stories about how disgusting the local peaceful, quiet, mostly elderly immigrant community are, I laugh at her and calmly tell her she’s wrong. Most of the time, I can see past her views. But right now, I’m angry and ashamed.”

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2016/06/another-media-setup/

Craig Murray is an unreliable weirdo but this did raise eyebrows. I didn't know the Pride heckler was a PR.

Has farage had a proper job? Wasn't he a trader? Did he have some old productive work I haven't heard about?

Wasn't he a commodity broker for a while?

He worked on the London Metals Exchange, the only open-outcry exchange left in Europe (and the exchange with the highest levels of drunkenness, allegedly).

Stephen Crabb is standing for Tory leader

too ugly

bit of a sideways move?

xp the Corbyn Pride heckler was outed as a PR shill almost the second the footage was made public. Corbyn was at the Orlando vigil with all of the shadow cabinet and has gone to Pride and similar longer than that silly little twink yuppie has been alive.

Why is Farage like he is? When he says "you're not laughing now" he's practically reverberating with emotion. I'm really intrigued by the psychology / identity politics of it.

have you ever heard of egomania

Well yeah, but why is he also a fascist, why does he have this victim thing going on?

Oh, his dad left the family home when Nige was 5.

xp That's basically what fascism is?

And was an alcoholic.

That's what he is but why.

MPs are choosing between Watson and Angela Eagle to be the Corbyn challenger, Sky says

Oh, his dad left the family home when Nige was 5.

someone could find this sort of thing very offensive Hey Bob

cool we've reached the pop psychoanalysis bit of the links thread

Sept 9th for announcement of new Tory leader

Corbyn loses no confidence vote 172 to 40

212 out of 229(?) voted

"n'er cast a clout til May be out: Hell is Other Voters

"n'er cast a clout til May be out aka NO BREXIT: hell is other voters -- UK election 2017

tidy work there

Miliband managed to appear moderate despite having policies that were well to the left of Blair/Brown. The right-wing press did their worst to make the Red Ed tag stick but the only people who bought it were other convinced right wingers.

It wasn't the electorate's impression of where he was on the left/right spectrum that did for him, it was the belief that this gawky nerd might be a nice enough bloke but wasn't the sort you'd want to put in charge of anything.

why not move to the nice new thread?

I would argue it's not the politician that's on trial in those situations