Velvet Underground - Loaded - The Poll

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The Max's set was also probably the first VU record I ever owned, cuz I always deferred to live records when I was a teenager cuz my budget was limited and live records usually provided value, plus I was such a Who nut that I was convinced that every band's live record was like "Live at Leeds", really raw, awesome vers of songs that were slicked up in the studio.

But so, I never really loved this record and I am sure for 6 months or so I was all "the Velvet Underground? Talk about to overrated!" to anyone who would listen but I've always been fascinated by it. The shoddy recording, the shoddy playing...it is such an amazing document of people not giving a shit about a band who in just a few yrs seemingly everyone would be obsessed with.

chr1sb3singer, Monday, 27 June 2016 20:53 (seven years ago) link

yeah i find max's pretty charming these days, though it's far from the incredible heights of Live 1969/Matrix Tapes. and yeah, as a kid, both max's and live 1969 really made me re-think how a great (the greatest?) band (or any artist) could be totally overlooked in their time.

tylerw, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 17:31 (seven years ago) link

& yeah, it's interesting how different lou's vocalizing is on the Max's tape than anywhere else -- more emotive, maybe a bit more generic, but still pretty great.

tylerw, Tuesday, 28 June 2016 17:42 (seven years ago) link

three months pass...

Always wondered why Lou spells love with a 'w' in "Cool it Down." Is it supposed to be a reference to radio station call letters? That's the only explanation I can come up with. Anybody?

Wimmels, Wednesday, 28 September 2016 21:59 (seven years ago) link

Ditto. I think that's the best explanation too.

(SNIFFING AND INDISTINCT SOBBING) (Tom D.), Wednesday, 28 September 2016 22:05 (seven years ago) link

one year passes...

that moment toward the beginning of "rock & roll" when THE SONG GETS LOUDER ON ITS OWN

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 19 September 2018 02:14 (five years ago) link

xpost - isn't it "double your L-O-V-E"? Lou's saying that there's this prostitute who's working hard enough to make him have two orgasms in an hour.

everything, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 03:56 (five years ago) link

wow that makes a lot more sense than WLOVE

line's always puzzled me

niels, Wednesday, 19 September 2018 08:29 (five years ago) link

four years pass...

THE VELVET UNDERGROUND

LOADED (FULLY RE-LOADED EDITION)
The Acclaimed Reissue Of VU’s 1970 Classic Arrives On Vinyl

For The First Time As A Limited-Edition Of 1,970 Copies
Featuring 9 180-Gram LPs And 4 7-Inch Singles
Stereo, Mono, And “Full-Length” Mixes Of The Original Album Are Featured Along With Demos, Studio Outtakes, And Live Recordings,

With Dozens Of Tracks Making Their Vinyl Debut

Lou Reed sang about the lifesaving powers of “Rock & Roll” on Loaded, his fourth and final studio album with The Velvet Underground. Since it arrived in November 1970, generations have been shaking to the album’s “fine, fine music,” experiencing their own kinds of musical salvation thanks to songs like “Sweet Jane,” “Head Held High,” and “Oh! Sweet Nuthin’.”

Dig! spotlights Loaded with a new vinyl boxed set that includes nearly all the music from its expansive 2015 CD reissue, Loaded: Re-Loaded 45th Anniversary Edition. The forthcoming collection, LOADED (FULLY RE-LOADED EDITION), features nine LPs with stereo, mono, and “Full-Length” mixes of the original album along with a generous selection of demos, studio outtakes, and live recordings. Several tracks from the set will be available on vinyl for the first time.

LOADED (FULLY RE-LOADED EDITION) is limited to 1,970 numbered copies and will be available on 24th March 2023. The set is available exclusively on Dig! for £250 and comes in a deluxe, foil-wrapped slipcase containing the vinyl, a poster of the album’s cover art, and an illustrated booklet with liner notes by Lenny Kaye that appeared in Loaded: Re-Loaded 45th Anniversary Edition.

In addition to the nine LPs, the set also comes with four 7-inches that reproduce the official singles and B-sides released from Loaded. “Rock & Roll” and “Who Loves The Sun” both come in the generic record sleeves used at the time by Cotillion, the band’s label. The former is being reissued for the first time ever, as the original release was cancelled in 1970, while the latter is being reissued for the first time since 1970. The other two singles come in picture sleeves originally released in Europe: “Head Held High” in France and “Sweet Jane” in Germany.

LOADED (FULLY RE-LOADED EDITION) opens with three different versions of the original studio album: remastered stereo and mono mixes, plus a “Full-Length” version that boasts extended takes of “Sweet Jane,” “Rock & Roll” and “New Age.”

More than two dozen recordings from the making of Loaded appear on vinyl for the first time in the new collection. The music explores the creative process behind the album with early versions of “Oh! Sweet Nuthin’” and “Lonesome Cowboy Bill” and alternate mixes for “Rock & Roll” and “Train ’round The Bend.” Songs that would eventually appear on Reed’s 1972 solo debut make appearances as well, with early versions of “Ocean,” “I Love You,” and “Ride Into The Sun.”

Those studio recordings are bolstered by a selection of live performances recorded before Loaded debuted in November 1970. A few weeks into making the album, on May 9, 1970, the band played at the Second Fret in Philadelphia. Bob Kachnycz, a fan, hitchhiked to the show and recorded the show on reel-to-reel. The band was down to a trio that night: Reed, Sterling Morrison, and Doug Yule, who alternated between bass and drums to fill in for Moe Tucker, who was pregnant then. This show, available for the first time on vinyl, uncovers early performances of several songs destined for the album: “Cool It Down,” “Rock & Roll,” and “New Age.”

The second performance was recorded in New York City at Max’s Kansas City nightclub on August 23, 1970, the day Reed left The Velvet Underground. Several songs from the show were released in 1972 as the live album, Live At Max’s Kansas City. In 2004, Rhino released a remastered version of the live album that was expanded to include both sets the band played that night. Featured on two LPs in the new collection, the recordings touch on all the band’s past albums with live versions of “I’m Waiting For The Man,” “White Light/White Heat,” “Pale Blue Eyes,” and “Sweet Jane.”

LOADED (FULLY RE-LOADED EDITION)

Track Listing

Loaded: Original Album (Remastered)

Side One

“Who Loves The Sun”

“Sweet Jane”

“Rock & Roll”

“Cool It Down”

“New Age”

Side Two

“Head Held High”

“Lonesome Cowboy Bill”

“I Found A Reason”

“Train ’round The Bend”

“Oh! Sweet Nuthin’”

Loaded: Promotional Mono Version (Remastered)

Side One

“Who Loves The Sun”

“Sweet Jane”

“Rock & Roll”

“Cool It Down”

“New Age”

Side Two

“Head Held High”

“Lonesome Cowboy Bill”

“I Found A Reason”

“Train ’round The Bend”

“Oh! Sweet Nuthin’”

Loaded: “Full-Length” Version (Remastered)

Side One

“Who Loves The Sun”

“Sweet Jane” – Full-Length Version *

“Rock & Roll” – Full-Length Version *

“Cool It Down”

“New Age” – Full-Length Version *

Side Two

“Head Held High”

“Lonesome Cowboy Bill”

“I Found A Reason”

“Train ’round The Bend”

“Oh! Sweet Nuthin’”

Loaded – “Fully Loaded” Version (Remastered)

Side One

“Ride Into The Sun” – Session Outtake *

“Ocean” – Session Outtake *

“I Love You” – Session Outtake *

“I’m Sticking With You” – Session Outtake *

“Rock & Roll” – Demo *

“Sad Song” – Demo *

Side Two

“I Found A Reason” – Demo *

“Satellite Of Love” – Demo *

“Oh Gin” – Demo *

“Walk And Talk” – Demo *

“Ocean” – Demo *

“I Love You” – Demo *

“Love Makes You Feel Ten Feet Tall” – Demo *

Side Three

“Cool It Down” – Early Version *

“Sweet Jane” – Early Version *

“Lonesome Cowboy Bill” – Early Version *

“Head Held High” – Early Version *

“Oh! Sweet Nuthin’” – Early Version *

“Who Loves The Sun” – Alternate Mix *

Side Four

“Sweet Jane” – Alternate Mix *

“Lonesome Cowboy Bill” – Alternate Mix *

“Train ’round The Bend” – Alternate Mix *

“Cool It Down” – Alternate Mix *

“Head Held High” – Alternate Mix *

“Rock & Roll” – Alternate Mix *

Live At Max’s Kansas City: Expanded Version (Remastered)

Side One

“I’m Waiting For The Man”

“White Light/White Heat”

“I’m Set Free”

“Sweet Jane”

Side Two

“Lonesome Cowboy Bill”

“New Age”

“Beginning To See The Light”

“I’ll Be Your Mirror”

Side Three

“Pale Blue Eyes”

“Candy Says”

“Sunday Morning”

“After Hours”

Side Four

“Femme Fatale”

“Some Kinda Love”

“Lonesome Cowboy Bill” – Version Two

Live At Second Fret, Philadelphia (1970)

Side One

“I’m Waiting For The Man” *

“What Goes On” *

“Cool It Down” *

Side Two

“Sweet Jane” *

“Rock & Roll” *

“Some Kinda Love” *

Side Three

“New Age” *

“Candy Says” *

“Head Held High” *

Side Four

“Train ’round The Bend” *

“Oh! Sweet Nuthin’” *

7” Singles

“Head Held High” b/w “Train ’round The Bend” – French Picture Sleeve

“Rock & Roll” b/w “Lonesome Cowboy Bill” – Cotillion Sleeve

“Sweet Jane” b/w “Rock & Roll” – German Picture Sleeve

“Who Loves The Sun” b/w “Oh! Sweet Nuthin’” – Cotillion Sleeve

* vinyl debut

lord of the rongs (anagram), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 15:40 (one year ago) link

If you ever thought Live At Max's was lo fi wait till you hear Live At Second Fret.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 February 2023 16:20 (one year ago) link

Lol.

Huey “Piano” Smithers-Jones (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 February 2023 07:36 (one year ago) link

The deluxe 45th anniversary was a bit light compared to the similar sets for the other albums, but it exists and is fine.

This one serves no real purpose apart from taking a lot of space..

Mark G, Thursday, 23 February 2023 07:44 (one year ago) link

the hoffman boys claim that neither of the live performances on that set has ever been issued at the right speed. (brigid polk's batteries were running low, or some such.) it's unlikely they will be here, either.

Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 23 February 2023 10:23 (one year ago) link

Never tested it but but Max's has always sounded too fast to me.

Maggot Bairn (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 February 2023 10:45 (one year ago) link

Me too but always figured it was just Billy rushing the tempo.

Huey “Piano” Smithers-Jones (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 February 2023 13:28 (one year ago) link

here is one mranimal from hoffman, re. correct max's speed:

I have found a short moment of amp ground loop feedback on each set on the complete 2CD retail release. I have used these short moments to find the actual speed of the performance by adjusting the speed until these feedbacks registered exactly 60hz on a hum detection filter. Of course, it only confirms the speed during these brief moments, but I’m not noticing any speed drifting elsewhere in the recordings while playing along on guitar and both sets are very close in the needed correction so I think that indicates the recorder was running at constant speed (but not the correct speed). Also, I have discovered that the right channel of the 2CD has bass guitar playing from another recording at a very low level. It’s very clearly a bass guitar during the 2nd set. It is also heard in the 1st set but more as an indistinct bass sound that is not part of the VU recording. For this reason, I have dropped the right channel and use only the left for both sets now.

Speed corrections are given as sample rate tag setting. If you adjust the sample rate tag in say Audacity (on the track, not the project) to these numbers, then the recordings will play at proper speed. Make sure the time length of the track changes or else something wasn't done right. I’m also including the percentage adjustment needed if you are using a process which goes by percentage.

Set #1: 42600 hz (or -3.46%)

Set #2: 42665 hz (or -3.3%)

No release has these recordings at the correct speed. However, I’ve never heard the 2CD promo with the rehearsal tracks (I do have the rehearsal tracks, though), but would love to track it down someday and check it out to compare speed and mastering. The Loaded 45th anniversary incomplete version of Max’s (which has also been issued standalone) has the sound in true mono so the low level bass playing from another recording is baked in and can't be eliminated by dropping a channel. I’m glad they left the 2CD in “stereo”.

Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 23 February 2023 17:47 (one year ago) link

god bless those hoffman lunatics

obsidian crocogolem (sleeve), Thursday, 23 February 2023 17:52 (one year ago) link

tl;dr

Huey “Piano” Smithers-Jones (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 February 2023 17:56 (one year ago) link

j/k of course I read

Huey “Piano” Smithers-Jones (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 23 February 2023 17:56 (one year ago) link

god bless those hoffman lunatics

otm

z_tbd, Thursday, 23 February 2023 18:21 (one year ago) link

his method of finding the correct pitch is ingeneous because it doesn't involve the instruments (which of course could be off from true pitch).

Thus Sang Freud, Thursday, 23 February 2023 18:24 (one year ago) link

So, if I slow my LP down 'a bit', then...

Mark G, Thursday, 23 February 2023 19:29 (one year ago) link


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