Your music's shite it keeps me Polling all night: OASIS (ILM artist poll 78) --- Voting open until Sunday August 21, 2016

(And Tony McCarroll's fadein out, obv)

This "oh, it's Oasis, so we must have a worst song option" is utter bollocks, btw.

I disagree, I think it's in the spirit of Noel's own attitude towards the band's back catalogue.

This will be a fun ballot to put together, I'm going to try and vote for at least a couple of post-'95 songs.

HELL YESSS can't wait to vote

Not voting in this one as I was never a fan, but after hearing 'Rock'n'Roll Star' on the radio the other day, it led me to wonder: Was there a point some time between the first and second album where they stopped writing songs 'about stuff' and just decided to go for whatever just sounded good; quasi-psychedelic stuff about cannonballs and fireplaces etc?

Well, you could say this happened between track 1 and track 2 on Definitely Maybe, but I'd argue that they never stopped writing songs "about stuff" ... 'Gas Panic!', 'Where Did It All Go Wrong?', even 'Songbird' ...

turrican your earnest performance here disqualifies you from posting on the 1975 thread ever again

Oh, do be quiet.

A useful thing;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_recorded_by_Oasis

I'm currently looking through the tracklistings for the post-Be Here Now/MKII albums and trying to figure out what I could possibly vote for from those albums.

I guess from Standing on the Shoulder of Giants there's 'Fuckin' In The Bushes' and 'Where Did It All Go Wrong?', probably 'Songbird' from Heathen Chemistry... 'The Importance of Being Idle', 'Part of the Queue', 'Guess God Thinks I'm Abel', 'Love Like a Bomb' and 'Let There Be Love' from Don't Believe The Truth. I can't remember anything about Dig Out Your Soul!

Are there any notable B-Sides that weren't on The Masterplan?

Yeah. 'Step Out' and 'Round Are Way' should have both been on The Masterplan, IMO. 'Step Out' was bumped from Morning Glory in favour of 'Cast No Shadow' (and because of the Stevie Wonder thing) and 'Round Are Way' was a live favourite for a while.

'D'Yer Wanna Be A Spaceman?' could have gone on there, too. The best two Be Here Now B-sides are on The Masterplan but I really like both 'Angel Child' and 'The Fame' ... '(I Got) The Fever', too.

poll results will probably be the first time I hear anything Oasis did after 1996

Or not.

Yeah, I'll be very interested in seeing what does show up from the post-Be Here Now stuff.

I haven't heard any of the B-sides after the Go Let It Out single.

wow this is awesome! so....can you vote Masterplan as one of your top 5 records?

Yes, you can.

re: b-sides - yeah "Round Are Way" is great. "Let's All Make Believe" isn't bad IIRC?

re: Shoulder - I always thought "Roll It Over" was the standout track there. A little ponderous maybe but a great album-closer, like their attempt at Elton's "High Flying Bird" and similar songs.

my ballot was probably half b-sides

Thanks mods!

They corrected my original post

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I'd forgotten about 'Let's All Make Believe'! Yeah, that ones not too bad. I'm not a fan of Standing on the Shoulder of Giants, really.

i actually think i own all their albums and maybe 20 or so singles.

hope to get through most of it for this poll.

now i actually see, i didn't buy the last album Dig Out Your Soul. hope to have time to give it a listen before voting myself.

definitely maybe is so obviously their best set of songs, and they're all dragged down by the leaden drummer

Alan White was technically a better drummer than Tony McCarroll, but I'd argue that White was also capable of being far more plodding in his worse moments.

I'd like to see this later era Oasis track place high. Its as close as they got to Krautrock. its also one of Rick Nielsen's favourite songs!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87IQhui_Yy8

ok lol at the first frame of that video, come on guys

well its Oasis, they could never help themselves

song is cool though, yeah! i like them better as they verge closer to shoegazey hypnotic wall-of-noise kinda stuff. this has an okay hook (the "all in my mind" vocal part) but it's definitely more about the sound than the song at this point.

So, I'm giving Standing on the Shoulder of Giants a listen now for the first time in years, and christ, what a mostly woeful record. People like to stick the boot into Be Here Now probably the most of all the Oasis albums, but at least it sounds confident and sure of itself in the same way as the previous two Oasis albums. Standing... sounds unsure of itself, tentative, defeated and miserable. The partying/"let's have it" mentality had gone from the band by this time and replaced by a sober, miserable Noel Gallagher forcing himself to make music for the sake of keeping the Oasis brand going. 'Put Yer Money Where Yer Mouth Is' and 'Little James' are particularly horrendous.

Basically, I think this band were at their best when they were off their tits and full of excitement and confidence - it showed in the music. As soon as Noel cleaned up, his songs became downbeat - 'Gas Panic!', 'Where Did It All Go Wrong?', 'Little By Little', 'Stop Crying Your Heart Out' etc. - and performed with about as much excitement as someone doing the washing up when they can't be arsed.

yeah im listening to that one too atm and its soporific.

I'd go as far as saying that it damaged the band far more than Be Here Now did.

yeah i didnt buy it when it came out but a friend put it on a cassette for me. i didnt bother with them at all after that

oh god "little james" is on now....

"have you ever played with plasticine? even tried a trampoline?"

I couldn't imagine the Noel Gallagher of 1996 or 1997 letting that onto an album.

yeah "little james" is probably their nadir up to that point. agreed that the lack of confidence really hurts the record. even the cover - it feels faceless, generic, a total non-event. they needed something punchy and alive, even a "back to basics" record or some energetic cover tunes or anything. would have been better to wait until they had that ready than to ship a mere ten tracks of which only a few really show any spark. "i can see a liar" may be a bit forced, but at least it shows some version of a rock band they could have been at this point. actually reminds me a lot of the foo fighters on the (better) there is nothing left to lose.

Whereas the first three tracks show some promise, and about as experimental as they ever got up to that point.

Yeah, 'Fuckin' In The Bushes' still sounds good, but it falls off pretty damn quickly from there.

This Shock of the Lightning track is going to singlehandedly cause me to revisit some of the later stuff.
thanks to whoever posted it. I seem to recall how Standing was just awful, and then they toured with the Black Crowes and I was done.

So much changed between Be Here Now and Standing on the Shoulder of Giants: Noel cleaned up, Bonehead and Guigsy left the band, Noel & Liam both had kids and got divorced, Creation Records folded, they stopped using Brian Cannon for their sleeves and changed their logo (a mistake, IMO), Noel decided he couldn't be bothered being the sole songwriter anymore, and they brought the guitarist from Heavy Stereo (of all bands) into the band, and Andy Bell - who, as great as he was in Ride, always seemed like an ill fit and a bit ofl a tourist in Oasis. The fact that they relegated him to bass was amusing, though... but you had all of this shit going down and it seemed to me like all concerned were in it to top up their bank accounts by that point. The whole fun and purpose had totally gone, they weren't the same band in any way and Noel should really have gone solo then, rather than waiting another 9 years to do it. It marks the point for me where Oasis stopped being about five guys having a laugh and having a great time doing what they were doing, and started being a way of keeping the cheques rolling in... and I think it showed in the music.

When they played Wembley Stadium in 2000 or thereabouts, and Liam was drunk and slagging off the audience, the venue and Noel and ranting on about how Patsy was taking all of his furniture and leaving him with a "teabag", I really thought that it was game over. I was really surprised that they continued after that, but it could only have been for the money.

Well their sole purpose was to be the biggest band in the world and once they got to be for a brief moment, it was like there was nowhere else to go. As much as the songs being bad on "Giants", I always wished theyd branch out a bit seeing as their scope was getting limited. Noel isnt a hem hem aesthete but hes certainly more adventurous in his listening (his "whats in my bag" episode has albums from Can and David Axelrod) but he is such a "not 'avin that pretentious shite" fogey he doesnt challenge himself with his own music and prob a fear that Oasis fans want ye olde meat and potatoes. Wasnt there a psych album that was shelved (produced by Amorphous Androgynous)?

I always thought it was funny, given Noel's endless comparisons to Beatles, Stones, Crazy Horse etc, he never gave a shit about emulating the constituent parts of those bands, part of what made THEM great. There's no Wyman or Molina or Harrison in the Oasis story - it just became the Noel and Liam show. It all wore thin after the original rhythm section left.

There's no Wyman or Molina or Harrison in the Oasis story - it just became the Noel and Liam show. It all wore thin after the original rhythm section left.

― Master of Treacle, Wednesday, August 3, 2016 7:11 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, I couldn't agree more with this, and it definitely was the "Noel and Liam show" after the originals (Bonehead, Guigsy, McCarroll) had gone.

Bonehead was as much of a character as Liam and Noel were during his time in the band, probably more so. When he left the band, his official line was that it wasn't fun anymore and he wanted to spend more time with his family. On the other hand, Noel's on record as saying Bonehead decided to leave when the newly-sober Noel got annoyed with him wanting to party/have a "good time" during the Standing... sessions when he was trying to keep Liam off the alcohol for three months so he could sing on the album. Basically, a kind of "if I'm not allowed to have a good time, nobody can" type of attitude - which, given how the band had operated up until that point, must have rubbed everyone up the wrong way.

The post-Be Here Now Oasis were so relatively professional that it's easy to forget just how excessive they were before that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jfQ4q4Hfcc

i'm having an absolute blast listening to Oasis again, never thought i would say that again in my lifetime.

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love that one Doctor Casino! haha

we almost are in the 20's.

last weekend to vote, even if you just like five songs please submit.

finalizing my 25 now! Gets tricky ranking some of these and I think I could probably scramble most of the list and think "yeah, that looks about right." But so it goes. List overall feels like a pretty kickass two-disc comp even if I ended up giving up on really learning the last few records enough to pick much from 'em. Gotta be true to what really got the repeat plays out of my battered old CDs. This is fun!

Hastily assembled ballot sent!
I'd planned to include a lot from the last two albums but couldn't justify them against the classics - in the end only "Lyla", "Shock of the Lightning" and "I'm Outta Time" made it on

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Voted! Only stray tracks from later releases... The b-sides from be here now singles could possibly have made the list had they been on spotify.

should I vote

How long have we got? Til midnight Sunday/Monday?

Found Acquiese on an old tape in the car, but couldn't for the life of me recall the title. My son googled the lyrics. Great track.

yes Alfred please vote.

also still waiting for Turrican ballot, results are not going to happen without it. ;=)

;-)

I'll send it over in a couple of hours.

yay

piscesx, the deadline is at Midnight on Sunday San Francisco time but i will be asleep so it is soft. if you are a few hours late that would be fine, Monday night would be too late however.

i finally voted myself. it was so much easier picking 10 EPs then it was picking five albums. i did not pick a worst song, not that i don't they have one, but rather i didn't want to actually go through those later records again to find it. i found it two weeks ago but forgot what song it was.

they = think

about a day and a half left to vote!

last day to vote

Managed to get a 15-track list together (a very rockist one, almost all from 1995).

starting to get really excited for this roll-out.

no-one volunteered but i'm getting some artwork together too.

ballot sent!

Just use that photo of Liam from the beady eye thread for each entry

almost made it to the deadline but going to bed.

VOTING is closed.

everyone now should have a confirmation email. if you didn't get one let me know.

we ended up getting a fair number of ballots, roll-out should be a blast.

Fookin stoked (Man!!)

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