retooled lineups in long-standing bands

black sabbath are an interesting case - the dio-era albums 'feel' more like sabbath to me than never say die even although that album features the classic ozzy-tony-geezer-bill lineup, and the second dio album only has two original sabbath members on it.

I feel like it's case by case with me and sometimes I can't figure out why I'll react one way with one band, differently with another. I can't listen to the new Alice in Chains, for instance, because AiC were such an integral part of me growing up, and Layne's voice just *was* AiC to me.

new aic is pretty great, imo.

This is something I think about a fair amount. I really think AC/DC should have hung it up after Malcolm Young got sick - I mean, the evidence is right there on record; Black Ice wasn't great, but it was solid (if too long), but Rock or Bust was pretty much garbage.

Motörhead are a great example of a band where some people really identify with the "classic" Lemmy/Fast Eddie Clarke/Philthy Animal Taylor lineup, but that version of the group was only together for what, 6 years? 1976-82? The final lineup, with Phil Campbell and Mikkey Dee, was together for over 20 years, and a lot of their records were just plain better than the ones by the late '70s lineup.

I definitely think the revolving door of members has hurt Megadeth creatively.

I saw Slayer with both Dave Lombardo and Paul Bostaph on drums, and while the Bostaph-era albums are OK, I rarely if ever listen to them, but I listen to the Lombardo albums (even Christ Illusion and World Painted Blood) all the time.

Danzig completely fell apart creatively once that initial lineup from the first four albums disbanded.

Yes have got to be the ultimate example of this - they made a lot of classic albums after booting out a member that they felt was underperforming, but the "this isn't Yes" argument has been going since like..Drama, which was released 36 years ago. Now they've got Howe and White (neither original members, but 'classic Yes' enough), a Jon Anderson impersonator, the dude who played on Open Your Eyes, and one of the Buggles...Yes or No?

They're actually touring without White at the moment.

Van der Graaf Generator reformed their "classic" line-up in 2005, but sax player David Jackson left a couple of years later and since then Hammill, Banton and Evans have soldiered on as a trio. While I yield to none in my admiration for Hammill as a songwriter or Banton as an organist I have to say that the two Jackson-less albums (with another one due for release next month) have both been rather lacking in excitement.

no great beef against any of the variously named splinterwings of yes touring "the music of yes" but it really can't *be* yes w/o squire rip :(

http://i.imgur.com/pVykK5R.jpg

D: This band would be nothing without Richard.

S: I know, right?

no White? who's drumming then??

Can sorta fit this too didn't they? The albums with members of Traffic were mostly fine, but it really was a totally different group.

I like lots of Yes albums post-Tales from Topographic Oceans (the only one to actually feature the "classic" Anderson/Howe/Wakeman/Squire/White lineup) but agree that Yes without Chris Squire is a big No, from me at least.

I'm of the mind that Pink Floyd didn't become worthwhile until they got rid of Syd Barrett, but I know mine is a minority opinion, particularly on ILM.

can kinda sounded like a different band from album to album anyway, so while i'm not as fond of the later albums it's hard to say whether it's because of lineup changes or whether they were just not as intensely creative and exciting as they once so

*as they once were

no White? who's drumming then??

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/alan-white-back-surgery/

“Until I’m able to rejoin the tour, my good friend Jay Schellen will be performing with the band and keeping my drum stool warm. Please welcome him to our Yes family; he’s doing a great service by stepping in last minute so as to not disappoint everyone hoping to see Yes music performed live this summer.”

Case by case for me too, but I think it absolutely matters who in particular is playing/singing, competent musicians are not hard to find, many cover/tribute bands are competent as anyone, yet "Appetite for Deception" is not Guns n' Roses

Matt Sorum bothers me deeply. I don't think he brings a heavy metal feel as much as he brings a shitty feel, competent or proficient as he may be.

I never cared enough about them to really notice but following a documentary I saw recently, I read some stuff about Izzy saying that the band wasn't the same (and was bad) when Adler was kicked out. That the songs only worked with his groove and without him, it all fell apart (musically).
I don't know. I can't really imagine how different UYI would have been with Adler playing instead of Sorum.

xp that's probably a good change then - White was definitely a monster in his day but he's definitely slowed in his old age and I think the band has had to accommodate that. still...makes you wonder to what extent this is even Yes anymore. I wonder what will happen once Howe kicks it (though I assume he's going to play until he's 200)

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/files/2014/12/Yes-630x420.jpg

"cruise to the edge 2015" promo images, ringwraith edn :( :( :(

man, the crypt keeper has really let himself go

I hear Sublime's out there with an even younger singer.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u120/kingkonggodzilla/20160824_113858_zpsimxmwqfv.jpg