Love - Search and Destroy

that whole first side of da capo is pretty astonishing, really -- i think that's where I'd point to if I wanted to convince anyone of Lee's genius (as much as I love Forever Changes). He just seems pretty far ahead of everyone there...

yup. too bad about side 2 lol

there are some good moments in "revelation" but yeah, it doesn't need to take up a whole side ...

Not seen that "Little red book" clip before, great.

More of that sort of thing?

Last gasp of greatness, before the bomb dropped. Man, does Arthur ever sound like Robin Gibb on this record: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ888SlDFyk

The other Bandstand clip "Message To Pretty"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYNPWMku5KU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYLUsZh6m9A

Wow, I thought I'd seen every Arthur/Love clip but I've never seen that "Your Mind and We" clip before. Arthur struggling to ride a bike! Arthur's Jaguar XKE! Bryan McLean glugging beer! Johnny Echols eating ice cream! And, at long last, Arthur's pigeons!

More than Tijuana Brass inspired, the horns on FC ARE the Tijuana Brass aka the wrecking crew aren't they...?

Agree that side A of da capo edges forever changes slightly. My last attempt at making through 'revelation' was two weeks ago and I failed, it is just so terrible

i just skip it now

https://s16.postimg.org/x7lkw4m0l/13614026.jpg
think this is detroit 1967 ...

Yep! ('68 actually, at the Grande...with some band called "The Psychedelic Stooges" opening...)

http://love.torbenskott.dk/images/posters/19680531.jpg

d'oh

http://love.torbenskott.dk/images/posters/19680531.jpg

everybody's gotta live is a good 'un

aha! awesome that they played with the stooges -- i know iggy was into jim morrison, wonder if he was into arthur lee.

Somebody ON Mastermind on BBC2 right now doing Arthur Lee and Love think it'll be on in about 4 minutes time.

haha is it Tom D?

have to admit I'd never made the connection between Robin Gibb and Arthur Lee before but def hearing it on Forever Changes, that melodramatic quaver

(altho Robin's one of the greatest backing vocalists of all time so I give him the edge over Arthur - deeper catalog too)

Somebody ON Mastermind on BBC2 right now doing Arthur Lee and Love think it'll be on in about 4 minutes time.

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haha is it Tom D?

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LOL, missed this. Bet you the questions were piss easy though. I know someone who did Captain Beefheart on Mastermind, I will never let him forget the one question he got wrong.

I thought Arthur was mainly turning into Bryan Maclean vocally, oddly.

tom is that the celeb version with nigel from eastenders?

I think this is the full programme
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07vcdpz

somebody circulated an edited section with just the specific sequence on Facebook but I can't get my computer to give me a specific URL for the section.
You may need tos et up a proxy to watch this iplayer version.

Music questions were all easy, but didn't know what school he'd attended or what prison he, er, attended.

Does anyone else suspect that Beefheart's "Call On Me" is an Arthur Lee/Love homage (or at least of the first Love album)?

Certainly sounds a lot like the first Love album; the double-time sections are more like an Otis Redding rip than anything Arthur Lee attempted, though. Wonder if Van Vliet heard Love. I always hear the guitars in "The Castle" as similar to the acoustic guitar pieces on Decals, somehow, the same mood.

"Call On Me" is a really early Magic Band song, demoed in 1965, I don't know if they'd have heard Love then, they would surely have heard the Byrds though. Allegedly written by their original drummer too, Vic Mortensen, not Beefheart.

Zappa and Love definitely shared some bills early on, dunno about Beefheart, but it's not unlikely.
Found this interesting tidbit from about a decade ago:

Moris Tepper talks with Don every week and says this about him, “I don’t think I’ve had a conversation with him in 20 years that he hasn’t written at least one, if not 18, songs while we’re on the phone. He’s constantly going. He doesn’t care if you’re on the phone or not, he’s just going."

In an interview with Robert Baird in January's Stereophile magazine, Tepper continues, “Since he quit music, but more important the last four or five years, he’s really gotten sweet and nurturing, and supportive of my work."

The song Ricochet Man was co-written with Don for Tepper's album Moth to Mouth. Moris explains that it was originally an instrumental track in progress which Don heard, along with other material intended for the album.

Moris had recently met Arthur Lee, the Love guitarist, who had been released after three years in jail, "for shooting a gun off in his apartment and there wasn’t anybody there." Moris says that when he told Don this story, "He (Don) goes [in a hipster whisper], 'Man, Ricochet Man’."

Don is constantly suggesting to Moris that he use some of his material, "but I’m trying to make my own work, my own statements." But, with Ricochet Man, "it felt so appropriate, so right for the record. So we got one together.”

"Call on Me"'s '65 demo is pretty straight Byrds-style folk-rock.
Barney Hoskins' book on Arthur Lee suggests that Bryan MacLean had more to do with Love than Arthur would've liked to have let on. Dunno. I've heard the Bryan MacLean solo stuff collected on that album--he had something, for sure. Kinda like the efforts to debunk Beefheart.

"Come Softly to Me" definitely feels like a step towards Da Capo/Forever Changes.

"Message to Pretty" (maybe my favorite Arthur Lee song) does, too, I guess, although there is a variety of approaches in that first album which really bodes well for the kind of syntheses that happen in the next couple albums...

Errr, "Come Softly to Me"...

There's lots of interesting connection throughout the first few albums, though. The way the chord progression at the end of "Mushroom Clouds" is (I think) recycled in "Seven and Seven Is" to ramp up that song towards the A-bomb climax...

"Call on Me"'s '65 demo is pretty straight Byrds-style folk-rock.
Barney Hoskins' book on Arthur Lee suggests that Bryan MacLean had more to do with Love than Arthur would've liked to have let on. Dunno. I've heard the Bryan MacLean solo stuff collected on that album--he had something, for sure. Kinda like the efforts to debunk Beefheart.

I always saw parallels with Chilton/Bell tbh.

Makes sense.

Arthur Lee's been gone 10 years. Died the day after my mother passed in 2006. I wrote this obit for him for the alt-country mag.

can believe you guys arent into four sail smh

Have we ever discussed the '70s remix of Forever Changes? Really bizarre. It seems like it's attempting to make the acoustic guitars carry the songs in a way that...I don't know. Seems very '70s. I don't like it at all.

kurt, I love "Robert Montgomery"

Edd, great work on that obit. Thanks a lot for sharing it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmTkBB5yxr0

Jay Donnellan aka Jay Lewis is a great guitarist, I also dig his post-Love band, Morning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKphtDVWo6Q

kurt, I love "Robert Montgomery"

About as much as Arthur loved "Eleanor Rigby"

Just that one phrase though

'Singing Cowboy' is my favourite from Four Sail, and one of my favourite Arthur Lee songs full stop!

whoa morning is tight thanks!

I never realized Love Story was on Vimeo. Had only seen the trailer before.

https://vimeo.com/80188255

Did anybody mention the John Einarson bio/compiling of Arthur's own memoir that got put out as Forever Changes? Pretty interesting stuff.

Also Michael Stuart Ware's memoir which I have as Behind The Scenes at The Pegasus Carousel, but may have a different name on the later update.

&I did mention Johnny Echols interview in Ugly Things #37 which is in depth and revelatory.