I looked at that /mu/ for one minute and some poor schmuck started a thread about how Esperanza Spalding, a black female artist, is really good (which she is) - devoured in seconds
― imago, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:34 (seven years ago) link
I don't think Million Dollar Extreme is really a part of this
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:37 (seven years ago) link
sam for sure is and mde board on reddit certainly believes it is
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:47 (seven years ago) link
MDE absolutely is
― goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:48 (seven years ago) link
They're an alternative to US right wing consensus - instead of being pro free markets, pro Christian morality or pro strong defense they are just pro white nationalism. This obviously isn't /new/ but it is untraditional in the US and has (and continues?) to be a marginal movement.
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:51 (seven years ago) link
i would just like to point out that i wrote about these guys 4 years ago
― goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:52 (seven years ago) link
Milo isn't alt-right. He's an alt-right wannabe / fellow traveller.
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:53 (seven years ago) link
Oh, I thought he was a quasi-leader. I'm probably on way the wrong page, then.
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:54 (seven years ago) link
my impression of MDE is that it's an elaborate troll on anything and everything, I'm guessing the alt-right probably has claimed him but I dunno if Sam has any real political views besides "lol"
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:54 (seven years ago) link
politics for various alt-righters probably differ but on those topics i'd guess the majority are pro-protectionism anti-immigration agnostic on Christian morality (and in many cases ideologically opposed to religious faith) isolationist or in some cases extreme hawkism (drop nukes on the middle east). and of course the central component is defending the race against #whitegenocide. also jew-hating.
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:55 (seven years ago) link
frogbs you've seen this? https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-alt-right-has-its-own-comedy-tv-show-on-a-time-warner-ne
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:56 (seven years ago) link
Wait hold on, Breitbart is core alt-right.
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:57 (seven years ago) link
i think the key attribute marking the "alt" (a p fraught and dumb prefix imo) is determinism.
xp
I dunno if Sam has any real political views besides "lol"
― frogbs, Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:54 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
god knows if i can or want to find it again but there are forum posts out there by him that are the now-standard post-libertarian line, like: "i used to be apolitical and in favor of freedom, but now i see that america has been ruined since the civil rights movement and feminism, it needs to be purged" etc
― goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:58 (seven years ago) link
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:57 AM (twenty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
they are johnny come latelies
it's really not. it jumped on the alt-right bandwagon thru Milo but he started as just an observer and tho the alt-right will pretty much accept any celebrity legitimacy they can get, he remains a controversial figure in the movement (bc he's gay and jewish). he wrote this around the time breitbart began embracing the alt-right: http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/03/29/an-establishment-conservatives-guide-to-the-alt-right/ - where you can see that he's interacting w/ them more as an anthropologist than a participant. xxp
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 14:59 (seven years ago) link
didn't realise that Yiannopoulos had jewish heritage
http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/203888/donald-trumps-little-boy
― soref, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:05 (seven years ago) link
frogbs you've seen this? https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-alt-right-has-its-own-comedy-tv-show-on-a-time-warner-ne― Mordy, Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:56 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Mordy, Thursday, October 6, 2016 9:56 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I guess I never really followed the persona behind it too closely. I read a lot of that stuff as a parody of the alt-right, though I suppose at this point, what's the difference
― frogbs, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:06 (seven years ago) link
goole you always amaze/scare me with your knowledge of this stuff
― k3vin k., Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:12 (seven years ago) link
Dark Enlightenment feeds into this, right?
― (rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link
i guess my knowledge of this stuff is just unsurprising :p
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:15 (seven years ago) link
dark enlightenment seems v tenuously related i don't think alt-righters are reading yudowsky or less wrong
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:16 (seven years ago) link
k3v: yeah i still don't know what to think of it all
weirdly i can trace how i found this shit back to ilx! sort of. to simon reynolds, to marxist anglo music bloggers like k-punk, to the weird end of critical theory -- some of those people 'switched sides' politically, drove what ended up being called the "dark enlightenment"
xp it's bigger now that it used to be, lots of factions and true scotsman stuff, but i think "DE" is def part of it
― goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link
this is the first ive heard of dark enlightenment
― look at the morning people (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:21 (seven years ago) link
i want to know more but i aint googling it
cybernazis
― don't even see how this was a duck (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:22 (seven years ago) link
Does Dark Enlightenment = neo-Reactionaries, i.e. people who are 'conservatives' in the 18th century sense (oppose democracy and egalitarianism, want to return to monarchy and aristocracy and explicit patriarchy)?
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
Because if so, that's actually kind of cool (as long as they don't gain any real power).
to the weird end of critical theory -- some of those people 'switched sides' politically, drove what ended up being called the "dark enlightenment"
who are these people?
― ogmor, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:25 (seven years ago) link
yup
like i said about determinism, the 'enlightenment' part i guess is their justifications are scientific, not solely (or blended with) tradition and religion
xp ogmor: key guy is nick land
― goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:26 (seven years ago) link
it's just a couple of angry media studies lecturers trying to blow minds with their edgy racism
― don't even see how this was a duck (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:26 (seven years ago) link
Do any of them go so far as to fully embrace feudalism or do they still want to somehow preserve capitalism and the market?
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:28 (seven years ago) link
re DE/NrX people
xxp the Spiked crew are part of that side of things, right?
― Neil S, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:29 (seven years ago) link
this is a good thing from moldbug that goes into the DE ideology:http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2008/04/open-letter-to-open-minded-progressives.html
we discussed it a bit on the political philosophy thread maybe a year or so ago?
also these Slatestarcodex pieces are good:(apparently the website is down but when it comes back up)
slatestarcodex.com/2013/10/20/the-anti-reactionary-faq/http://slatestarcodex.com/2013/03/03/reactionary-philosophy-in-an-enormous-planet-sized-nutshell/
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:30 (seven years ago) link
i feel like with a lot of the dark enlightenment stuff there are good critiques of contemporary liberal society but rather than follow them to a reasonable place of like participatory dissent they move into this insane territory of 'well if things aren't perfect today that means we should all become monarchists' which is pretty dumb. i also don't think it's v related to the alt-right i don't think your average white supremacist alt-right 4-chan do-it-for-the-lolz poster is thinking very deeply about the philosophical underpinnings of his ideas. like you might think that DE is giving intellectual cover for bigots but i don't think those bigots want or need that cover.
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
Goddamn, that Unqualified Reservations thing is long and I haven't got to an interesting point yet.
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:37 (seven years ago) link
oh god *deep breath* yeah there are still some (how many?) throne and altar european right wingers out there. or weirdo catholic sedevecantist types. that all precedes and doesn't really relate to what we're talking about here, but their basic beliefs about the world look identical to me. because of the internet there's a ton of crossover now i guess. the energy of an election season has run a lot of it together too.
an uhh illustrative example (and god forgive me, as many whacko blog posts i may have read, i don't know all the details) is a dude name mike anissimov, who worked for a transhumanist/AI think tank, then had some kind of scheme to set up a settlement in idaho to reestablish feudal hierachy after the US collapses, i think? so you have the tech nerd economy and D&D fantasy royalist stuff tied together with white power and antisemitism
― goole, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:38 (seven years ago) link
At what point does he stop making dumbass red-state/blue-state stereotypes and generalizations and get to DE ideology?
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:38 (seven years ago) link
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:39 (seven years ago) link
it's like 8 or 9 articles. i like when he talks about colonialism and the third world and the meaning of liberation/nationalism etc. there are productive contradictions embedded in left-wing post-cold war ideologies (like third world nationalism v. globalization secularism) of course you don't need moldbug to tell you that but he imo makes some provocative points. xxp
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:39 (seven years ago) link
um - end of first letter beginning of second iirc? he spends a lot of time making spurious conclusions about crime in victorian england which is a bummer that scott addresses in his anti-reactionary faq.
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:40 (seven years ago) link
goole: Wow
― Spiritual Hat Minimalism (Sund4r), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:40 (seven years ago) link
oh god *deep breath* yeah there are still some (how many?) throne and altar european right wingers out there. or weirdo catholic sedevecantist types. that all precedes and doesn't really relate to what we're talking about here,
i think like current poland + russia are aspirational models for some of these white americans
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:41 (seven years ago) link
been a while since i went through nick land / moldbug and may have this wrong but there seems to be a strain in deep techbro dark enlightenment where we literally rebuild god (as inhuman synthetic intelligence born of global capitalism itself) so we can kneel properly? (to god, but also to his deserving priests?)
― florence foster wallace (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:53 (seven years ago) link
i haven't heard anything like that - seems crazy (not like mainstream DE isn't)
― Mordy, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
have u noticed a pattern wrt this claim
― florence foster wallace (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:55 (seven years ago) link
That moldbug guy makes a pretty terrible argument.
― larry appleton, Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:55 (seven years ago) link
could swear that's in nick land somewhere but maybe it's just my own cult-of-moloch fanfic xxp
― florence foster wallace (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 6 October 2016 15:56 (seven years ago) link
― florence foster wallace (difficult listening hour), Thursday, October 6, 2016 10:53 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
tbh i would read the shit out of a novel about this
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 6 October 2016 16:05 (seven years ago) link
it sounds close to the concept of this Dilbert cartoon from 1996:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQqnskzW8AAfFzo.jpg
― soref, Thursday, 6 October 2016 16:09 (seven years ago) link
Don’t know why zing put that first tweet in there
― dicbo=v2-ubswizzb&hrt (stevie), Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:28 (eleven months ago) link
Got the moves like jaggerGot the cum like hunter Got the jizz like fuentes
― coolgnoscenti (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:44 (eleven months ago) link
wait wut?
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 11 May 2023 17:55 (eleven months ago) link
Fights like Joe Besser
― Every post of mine is an expression of eternity (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 11 May 2023 18:02 (eleven months ago) link
Screw Musk on Twitter or Trump on CNN, that asshole clearly needs a weekly reality show/sitcom. Sitcon?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 May 2023 18:04 (eleven months ago) link
NEW @RichardHanania is a right-wing star. A @UTAustin scholar, his fans include JD Vance, Thiel, Musk, Sacks, Rufo. @HarperCollins will publish his book "The Origins of Woke" HuffPost found he used a pseudonym for yrs to write for white supremacist sites https://t.co/NOPSmIc0vH— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) August 4, 2023
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 August 2023 21:26 (nine months ago) link
That pseudonym? John Barron.
― Steely Duran (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 5 August 2023 01:32 (eight months ago) link
In his own way he's just trying to emulate the journey from mafioso to licensed casino owner.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 5 August 2023 03:32 (eight months ago) link
Oh, so that's why he was always wearing a hat
Seeking leniency at sentencing in seditious conspiracy case, defense asks judge to consider Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio's detention.. arguing the "isolation has impacted his mental health.. he has seemed very anxious during recent jail visits or telephone conversations" pic.twitter.com/GO2OBKp4Yx— Scott MacFarlane (@MacFarlaneNews) August 18, 2023
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 19 August 2023 13:22 (eight months ago) link
David Cross noooooooooo
― Chevy Chase drumming mystery (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 19 August 2023 14:17 (eight months ago) link
I love how these tin soldiers go to pieces while incarcerated.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 19 August 2023 20:53 (eight months ago) link
This fuckin country
“We have got 360 security right now, so we’re just covering all angles” Mike Dunn explained of the various positions taken up by militia members outside the education center, where ‘Boogaloo Boys’ gathered today in response to four individuals being charged with carrying a… pic.twitter.com/AdM5x7GpHI— Brendan Gutenschwager (@BGOnTheScene) August 20, 2023
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 August 2023 13:39 (eight months ago) link
something really disturbing is happening in this country, I genuinely feel government has broken down and we are near Mad Max conditions--why aren't these fuckin' guys disarmed and declared terrorist groups? The government can't even assert its own monopoly on violence. One bright spot is the vigorous prosecution of Jan 6 people, I have to admit.
― deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 21 August 2023 15:01 (eight months ago) link
the foundation of the monopoly on violence is white supremacy
― rob, Monday, 21 August 2023 15:05 (eight months ago) link
Meanwhile, and, unfortunately, probably not totally unrelated, a bomb threat was called in to (checks notes) “all over Cook county’s highways and librarys." I don't know what to make of the highway part, but there are 73 libraries in Cook County. They closed all of our libraries today out of an abundance of caution, but clearly all it takes are a few seconds of assholery to essentially cause state-wide chaos.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 August 2023 15:19 (eight months ago) link
yeah they've been pretty serious about the J6 stuff, which actually gives me hope that Trump might actually see jail time, for despite their built in political advantages and the fact that the police tend to be on their side it does seem like the criminal justice system takes this shit seriously
― frogbs, Monday, 21 August 2023 15:22 (eight months ago) link
xp Josh - yeah, that's a scary threat, especially coming a day after threats to specific libraries in other northern suburbs. didn't realize the threat you mention was an entirely different one, wtf is wrong with people?
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 21 August 2023 15:26 (eight months ago) link
Our local paper reported:
A threat of explosions across Cook County highways and libraries caused the Oak Park Public Library to close Monday. Library officials promptly called the Oak Park Police Department after the threat was received at 7 p.m., Sunday night through the contact page on the OPPL website. A police report has been filed.“There will be a big explosion all over Cook county’s highways and librarys including Chicago gurnee and oak park. It will explode sometime tomorrow 8/21/2023,” the threat reads.Gurnee was not the only northern suburb to receive such a threat, but Oak Park appears to be the only western suburb at this time. Several libraries across the northern suburbs received similar threats on Aug. 17, including in Morton Grove, Park Ridge and Wilmette. No explosives were ever found or detonated, according to Dan Yopchick, spokesperson of the Village of Oak Park.
“There will be a big explosion all over Cook county’s highways and librarys including Chicago gurnee and oak park. It will explode sometime tomorrow 8/21/2023,” the threat reads.
Gurnee was not the only northern suburb to receive such a threat, but Oak Park appears to be the only western suburb at this time. Several libraries across the northern suburbs received similar threats on Aug. 17, including in Morton Grove, Park Ridge and Wilmette. No explosives were ever found or detonated, according to Dan Yopchick, spokesperson of the Village of Oak Park.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 21 August 2023 15:30 (eight months ago) link
instead we get the heckler's veto on civic life and public goods
― deep wubs and tribral rhythms (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 21 August 2023 16:37 (eight months ago) link
Not sure this is the best thread for it, but since we had some discussions about this upthread... another round of bomb threats against local libraries, including the one in my city:
https://www.wbez.org/stories/libraries-in-chicago-suburbs-receive-bomb-threats/96196768-b467-4e75-bf13-dda8eee99ba8
Libraries in Chicago and surrounding suburbs were closed Tuesday after receiving bomb threats.An employee at the Harold Washington Library Center, 400 S. State St., received an anonymous email saying that there was a bomb inside the building, Chicago police said. A bomb squad and canine units were sent to do a sweep of the building at about 3:50 p.m. but did not find any sign of a threat.
An employee at the Harold Washington Library Center, 400 S. State St., received an anonymous email saying that there was a bomb inside the building, Chicago police said. A bomb squad and canine units were sent to do a sweep of the building at about 3:50 p.m. but did not find any sign of a threat.
― Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 13 September 2023 14:43 (seven months ago) link