that's odd, because he's only played 14 seasons. so he received a MVP vote for his 2003 rookie season (87 games played, .268/.325/.468, 106 wRC+)?
― Karl Malone, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:00 (seven years ago) link
he's amazing, though. if his defense wasn't awful he would have had a better chance of catching up with Pujols, at least by fWAR. even now, he might have a chance. he trails him by 23 right now (68 to 91), but it's not hard to imagine a scenario where pujols five more years (!!!!?!?!?) of -1.0 to 1.0 level seasons while cabrera cranks out another handful of 3-4 WAR seasons.
― Karl Malone, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:04 (seven years ago) link
taking sides: Ryan Howard in 2015-16 or your idea of how Pujols will be doing in 2020-21
― Karl Malone, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:05 (seven years ago) link
he got one 8th place vote for some reason
― qualx, Friday, 18 November 2016 19:08 (seven years ago) link
If Trout were to win the MVP unanimously next year, he'd be tied with Schmidt for 11th on the all-time MVP-share list; a unanimous Cy Young for Kershaw would move him to third on the Cy list.
― clemenza, Saturday, 19 November 2016 14:09 (seven years ago) link
BP podcast pointed out that this pool of 30 writers on this award was relatively analytics- and Trout-friendly
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 19 November 2016 15:05 (seven years ago) link
Conceding James has a heavy bias here, I think this is an excellent breakdown of why Verlander's big bWAR advantage over Porcello is illusory.
http://www.billjamesonline.com/porlander_and_vercello/
― clemenza, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 01:13 (seven years ago) link
sean forman's response (to pos, not james): https://twitter.com/sean_forman/status/800775742724325376
― mookieproof, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 02:49 (seven years ago) link
So James is saying Verlander would have given up just as many hits on balls in play even with a great defense behind him? If that's true, what does it mean to say that the Tigers were 50 runs worse than average on defense? It means they should have given up more hits than the average defense, which translates into more runs, unless they so happened to be not as bad when Verlander pitched. I think this is Forman's point ...?
― NoTimeBeforeTime, Wednesday, 23 November 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
more on various WARs: http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/18114272/miller-going-war-mystery-robbie-ray
― mookieproof, Thursday, 24 November 2016 17:25 (seven years ago) link
that's a fantastic article
― k3vin k., Friday, 25 November 2016 03:14 (seven years ago) link
yes
― mookieproof, Saturday, 26 November 2016 04:52 (seven years ago) link
Rick Porcello, Anthony Rendon Win 2016 MLB Comeback Player of the Year Awards
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 19:29 (seven years ago) link