Social Activism in the Age of Trump: What To Do and What We Are Doing

Do you agree with him, El T? Do you think it's okay that he called me a c**t?

Seriously, do anyone here have the guts to either a) say that what darragh did was unacceptable or b) that what he did was acceptable. There's no middle ground. Either it's ok to create a new thread to call me a c**t, or it isn't. I am PISSED that it happened, and that it's apparently probably something I just have to deal with going forward because a poster don't like what I writes, and this cowardice in saying if people are ok with it or not is pissing me off as well.

Seems acceptable to me, you're really annoying.

Like, you're both really strident in your opinions and unusually sensitive to criticism, not exactly a shocker that some people don't like you, and "ban x" threads are a time-honored tradition.

a horrible horrible tradition that has ruined lives

Lol

One thing to keep in mind is that in degenerate countries like England and Ireland the word c**t is used pretty loosely and is not necessarily considered offensive.

Like if an American used that word it would be a shocking slur but in the ban thread deems was basically just calling you an asshole

you're a top cunt, treesh

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p sure deems was using it in the spirit in which it was originally intended imo just sayin

I've FP'd everyone who has posted to this thread, because in all the ways that matter, this is all of our faults.

It's a shame about Old Lunch and in orbit, I know they both were in the 40+ club

Lol. I look forward to be able to use all the slurs that doesn't mean anything bad in Denmark, Treesh.

it's weird that I have a memory that's got to be almost a decade old at this point, of SB carpet bombing, back when it was an SB and not an FP

Fp you because our resistance movement cannot afford to look backward

It's not a 'beef' it's bullying.

― Frederik B, Monday, December 5, 2016 9:24 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

u said "you seem dumb as fuck" to me and invited me to fuck myself. idk, do u think that was bullying?

tru healing starts from looking within

anyway guyz, good activism on this thread all around. kudos everyone!

snaps

classic leftist circular firing squad status achieved in only 2 days. SAD!

s.clover, that was an angry response to posts you sent at me. That was beef. You would know the difference between that and what darragh did, if you weren't dumb as fuck.

fred all defences lowered now

ilx has been around a lot longer than your chest hair. theres a legacy of ban x. theres a legacy of intellegent but snappy posting. theres a legacy of learning the place. theres a legacy of getting a bit of bounce in your online personality.

theres a strong legacy of balancing aggression, zinging, bullying, patronism, all that negative shit under whatever guise or slipped into the usual discourse, with humour or charm or interestingness or content or a million other ways to sugar the medicine, and you avoid all of the latter as far as i or a lot of us can see.

i dont hate you you silly fool but you need to look at your exchanges itt to realise that this is not how it works

ban x threads have been 90% tongue in cheek protest threads since ilx began. they were never going to ban you you daft sod.

fp is rare and you need only worry about it if you are one of the posters that simply has too much ego to adopt the fairly easy ilx norms and then marries it with enough rank unpleasantness to actively piss people off. nb i will be very disappointed in ilx if you are not fpd but hy all means carry on.

cunt is a rich and varied term. we have threads on it. lots of cunts on this board are some of my favourite cunts. some cunts on this board are total cunts. youre a wee cunt but youre not a total cunt. hope that helps.

race u to 51 ya cuntcha x

darragh, you're not funny, you're not charming and you're not interesting. There's no sugar to your aggressive bullying, and how the fuck couldn't you have figured out by now I intensely dislike it? It could have been funny but after Morbs got banned, it took on a different tone. Stay the fuck away from me, and stop pretending you own this place.

pwns it sometimes

own 1/51 of it, cunt

Goddamnit Fred. This constant whining about "being bullied" and pissing yr lamentations on nearly every single thread you stumble in is getting v v tiresome. FP deems and get over it already. That's how it's done.

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"It's apparently probably something I just have to deal with going forward because a poster don't like what I writes!"

classic leftist circular firing squad status achieved in only 2 days. SAD!

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and it only took one loudmouth drama queen!

i do think leftists in general underestimate the benefits of formal, hierarchial organization, on the grounds that it's "fascist" or something. stalinist purges something something look guys it's ok we are quite obviously incapable of establishing a gulag. if we're not willing or able to take concrete actions against disrupters (ignoring them is _not_ effective, thanks twenty years of terrible internet psychology), we're ceding control of the "movement" to the disrupters. this is not exclusively a left-wing circle jerk, this is exactly what happened to the internet as a whole.

back to what i was saying yesterday, i think that supporting people who are doing the right thing is as important, if not more important, than opposing the people who lack the strength to do the right thing. incentivizing. so for instance we've switched to buying kellogg's raisin bran instead of store brand, even though it's way more expensive, because kellogg's refuses to advertise on breitbart and is getting heat as a result. we're not the only ones talking boycotts, keep in mind.

^^ Agree. Possibly a good example of that is also the quite astounding surge in digital subscriptions for the NYT. I don't think all of those are simply because Trump has it in for them, but one would hope this comes from the desire for a p dece newspaper instead of all the noise out there.

new dn thanks rushomancy

:)

About to request mod privileges over here simply for the sake of banning people from this thread. Thanks to all who are keeping it posi and irie. Namaste.

Any of y'all have experience starting or running a nonprofit?

No but iirc to become a 501c3 you really need lawyers and accountants. It's a lot.

You need a lawyer and an accountant on retainer, you mean. I know people who have done it.

It's not *that* different from any other incorporated entity, i.e. garden club, HOA, etc

ilxor bell_labs offered on fb to help with the accountancy parts for startup NPOs. Generally though I think, ahhhh, some people are very quick to want to start one with their stamp on it rather than join an existing effort. It makes me wary.

it's apparently probably something I just have to deal with going forward because a poster don't like what I writes

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Y'all are a mess btw

I do know some stuff because my job involves indirectly working with nonprofits, but I was more curious about anecdotal experiences, if anybody has them to share.

I worked in the nonprofit sector for a while and in orbit is right. There are already too many nonprofits out there applying for the same grants. It's much more effective to find a local nonprofit that's established and had some success and work with them than to start from scratch.

i would use the new york times thing as really a textbook example of a stupid boycott. you voted for a party that has spent the last twenty years building an entire massive media ecosystem built pretty much specifically on opposition to the new york times approach to journalism, and you're telling me that you are _just now_ cancelling your subscription to the nyt? pull the other one.

which also leads to something i feel is worth reinforcing. on another thread somebody questioned whether the democratic party could find the "perfect candidate" to defeat trump, and we really don't need to be aiming for perfection here. trump is a terrible person and a terrible politician who everybody hates, and we shouldn't lose sight of this. there is ample room in this for us to fuck up and still come out okay.

i do think, yeah, we are all of us more willing to lead than we are to follow. particularly because we're in a period of time where there seems to be a leadership vacuum, because the old model of leadership advocated by the democratic party has pretty conclusively failed. okay, but we have to assume that said failure is as apparent to them as it is to us, and that they are in a better position to address that failure than those of us who have no experience whatsoever. we don't all need to reinvent the wheel at once. we do need to learn how to trust people we disagree with, which is going to be tough for us because a lot of us supported someone we disagreed with in november and it was an absolute catastrophic failure.

Could you take 5-10 minutes there, rushomancy, to sit and think for a bit about the various uses of 'us' in that paragraph, and who it usually means, and who it might mean, and who it might read as meaning?

And when you've reached your conclusions, could you post them on your blog and not here?

We need actual representative leadership from the top down. Someone who takes the reins to make sure shit gets done but who takes their direction from the people. I have no problem following someone who acts on input from others and is able to hear criticism.

I...don't think we're all talking about the same kind of thing? What you describe is a very specific kind of visible strong leader, which isn't always the right fit to get certain jobs done--AND it advantages that type of person and excludes others who aren't perceived in exactly that way. Chill. Go hang out with some community orgs and relax and listen and take it all in. See whose ideas get favored even when they aren't the loudest voice. Idk just...observe for a while.

Oh, yeah, I'm just floating ideas. I'm in no position to start a nonprofit or lead any kind of charge myself. My immediate longish short-term plan is just to defer to whoever needs me in whatever capacity they need me.

This is a really useful article on how protest helped unseat GOP governor Pat McCrory in NC, even in a year that a republican won the state at the presidential level.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/12/why-pat-mccrory-lost-and-what-it-means-in-trumps-america.html

The upshot: when politicians promote despicable legislation, do everything you can to draw attention to it, start early, and keep hammering. This especially works at the local and state level, e.g. if you live in a congressional district where your congressman supports slashing medicare or something like that.

thread is depressing.

Staying active or getting more active at the local and state level is paramount, especially since many/most of the biggest assholes in the GOP, from Ryan to Cruz, operate under the smug umbrella of promoting "states rights." Even Trump has been doing this, and he probably can't even name all 50 states. If more state governments and in particular governors go blue, that's probably the best bulwark against vindictive Republican moves at the federal level.