http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/dakota-pipeline-protests/pipeline-spills-176-000-gallons-oil-creek-150-miles-dakota-n695111?cid=sm_fb_msnbc shit like this happening should be enough to shut this down
― akm, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 00:03 (seven years ago) link
http://www.reuters.com/article/north-dakota-pipeline-idUSL1N1E20T7This is a better article about Belle Fourche Pipeline Company who should have been shut down years ago. The federal agency has also issued six warning letters to the pipeline company regarding integrity issues and safety procedures.
― JacobSanders, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 01:36 (seven years ago) link
The larger problem that is never addressed is the function of the EPA and how permitting is handed out. Whenever a HDD has a frack out or if a spill occurs, what happens. Fines. Companies pay. Paying money to break laws is at best far from sustainable, it encourages cost cutting short cuts. I've seen it happen time and time again. Instead, the EPA should have the regulatory power to shut a company down, entirely, instead of just pay us this sum of money. I was hopeful this would happen with the upcoming new regulation of all existing pipelines will fall under federal mandates. But with Trump coming into office, I fear the new laws will be postpone or worst vetoed. Fines are not regulating anything, completed shut down is the only way to make companies comply. And I hear your sarcasm Karl, I get it.
― JacobSanders, Tuesday, 13 December 2016 02:14 (seven years ago) link
http://marfapublicradio.org/blog/activists-look-to-repeat-standing-rock-success-in-west-texas/
― đ đđ˘đ¨ (caek), Wednesday, 14 December 2016 19:43 (seven years ago) link
Meanwhile https://www.texasobserver.org/dos-republicas-ancestors-culture-feature/
― JacobSanders, Friday, 16 December 2016 11:38 (seven years ago) link
http://earthfirstjournal.org/newswire/2017/03/15/from-the-ashes-of-standing-rock-a-beautiful-resistance-is-born/
― sleeve, Sunday, 19 March 2017 07:08 (seven years ago) link
Also just last week a lone pipeline resister was killed by police after fleeing the scene of an effective sabotage action against the pipeline.Is effective sabotage shooting pieces of the pipeline and heavy equipment with a rifle?
― JacobSanders, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:39 (seven years ago) link
the wording is weird but I would assume attempting sabotage would be not harming something, and anything that causes damage is sabotage, regardless whether it stops things from working?
― mh đ, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:43 (seven years ago) link
What exactly constitutes an action? I've been reading through the website linked above and to me it makes very loose justifications for various illegal activity. Please correct me if I'm reading this wrong?
― JacobSanders, Thursday, 13 April 2017 00:56 (seven years ago) link
"direct action" does tend to equate to "illegal", yes.
for further discussion may I recommend:
http://www.ifatreefallsfilm.com/
― sleeve, Thursday, 13 April 2017 01:33 (seven years ago) link
civil disobedience implies illegal activity
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 April 2017 01:34 (seven years ago) link
I feel so square. In mind my using any techniques that could possibly harm the public goes against anything I can get behind.
― JacobSanders, Thursday, 13 April 2017 01:38 (seven years ago) link
that film does really grapple with those issues, I seriously recommend it.
― sleeve, Thursday, 13 April 2017 02:25 (seven years ago) link
Going to watch this tonight. Thanks!
― JacobSanders, Thursday, 13 April 2017 15:12 (seven years ago) link
After watching If A Tree Falls I'm further perplexed by this whole idea of actions. There seems to be a disrupt between reality and what these people want the world to be. By burning down offices or equipment, shooting at offices, stopping traffic or any of these actions, to me it seems the only long term consequences are certain individuals feel good and that are doing "something" then they are unable to deal with the criminal consequences of what those actions entail. But what have they really achieved aside from ending up in prison or with a record?
― JacobSanders, Thursday, 13 April 2017 23:40 (seven years ago) link
isn't it up to the individual how far they wanna take things and what price they are willing to pay as a potential consequence?
I think McGowan (subject of film) would argue exactly what you do here - his actions didn't really accomplish that much, nor did the other ones. the only one that seems to have had total local support was the horse meat factory (which was particularly horrifying and egregious if you look up the history, the locals were glad to see it burn). There's a good reason why he has focused his post-release activism around prisoner's rights as opposed to environmental direct action, he feels it's more worthwhile to pursue.
my POV is that raising awareness of an issue can be worth doing time. I mean, are you familiar with the Plowshares movement? totally nonviolent, but they get long prison sentences. isn't that their choice, to raise awareness?
― sleeve, Thursday, 13 April 2017 23:46 (seven years ago) link
(disclaimer: a lot of those people are/were personal friends)
― sleeve, Thursday, 13 April 2017 23:47 (seven years ago) link
and a few of those people are friends of friends of mine. I had many heated debates with those friends years ago. One close friend was wire tapped by the guy. But that friend had broken the law and got caught and I warned her that the police aren't just going to give up on searching for you. My main problem with these actions is the amount of misinformation that propels their ideals. One of the places they burned down was unrelated to their hostiles.
― JacobSanders, Thursday, 13 April 2017 23:56 (seven years ago) link
unrelated to what they thought was going on I meant.
― JacobSanders, Thursday, 13 April 2017 23:57 (seven years ago) link
definitely, I agree.
― sleeve, Friday, 14 April 2017 01:25 (seven years ago) link
https://theintercept.com/2017/05/27/leaked-documents-reveal-security-firms-counterterrorism-tactics-at-standing-rock-to-defeat-pipeline-insurgencies/
Internal TigerSwan communications describe the movement as âan ideologically driven insurgency with a strong religious componentâ and compare the anti-pipeline water protectors to jihadist fighters. One report, dated February 27, 2017, states that since the movement âgenerally followed the jihadist insurgency model while active, we can expect the individuals who fought for and supported it to follow a post-insurgency model after its collapse.â Drawing comparisons with post-Soviet Afghanistan, the report warns, âWhile we can expect to see the continued spread of the anti-DAPL diaspora ... aggressive intelligence preparation of the battlefield and active coordination between intelligence and security elements are now a proven method of defeating pipeline insurgencies.â [...] In an October 3 report, TigerSwan discusses how to use its knowledge of internal camp dynamics: âExploitation of ongoing native versus non-native rifts, and tribal rifts between peaceful and violent elements is critical in our effort to delegitimize the anti-DAPL movement.â On February 19, TigerSwan makes explicit its plans to infiltrate a Chicago protest group. âTigerSwan collections team will make contact with event organizers to embed within the structure of the demonstration to develop a trusted agent status to be cultivated for future collection efforts,â the report notes, later repeating its intent to âcovertly make contact with event organizers.â
TigerSwan consistently describes the peaceful demonstrators using military and tactical language more appropriate for counterterrorism operations in an armed conflict zone. At times, the military language verges on parody, as when agents write of protesters âstockpiling signsâ or when they discuss the âcaliberâ of paintball pellets. More often, however, the way TigerSwan discusses protesters as âterrorists,â their direct actions as âattacks,â and the camps as a âbattlefield,â reveals how the protestersâ dissent was not only criminalized but treated as a national security threat. A March 1 report states that protestersâ âoperational weakness allows TS elements to further develop and dictate the battlespace.â
TigerSwan pays particular attention to protesters of Middle Eastern descent. A September 22 situation report argues that âthe presence of additional Palestinians in the camp, and the movementâs involvement with Islamic individuals is a dynamic that requires further examination.â The report acknowledges that âcurrently there is no information to suggest terrorist type tactics or operations,â but nonetheless warns that âwith the current limitation on information flow out of the camp, it cannot be ruled out.â [...] Such ethnic and religious profiling of protesters was not unusual. An October 12 email thread shared among members of the intel group provides a striking example of how TigerSwan was able to cast suspicion on specific individuals and communicate it to law enforcement officials. Cass County Sheriffâs Deputy Tonya Jahner emailed several other officers, including two FBI agents, with an overview of information provided by âcompany intel.â The information pertained to a woman whom Jahner labeled as a âstrong Shia Islamicâ with a âstrong female Shia following.â The woman had âmade several trips overseas,â Jahner wrote.
― ď´żâ âş (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 28 May 2017 15:29 (six years ago) link
fuckheads
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 28 May 2017 18:27 (six years ago) link
jesus christ
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 28 May 2017 18:31 (six years ago) link
fwiw, a fair number of those "terrorists" would have been US combat veterans from Vietnam, the Gulf War, Afghanistan and Iraq.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 28 May 2017 18:39 (six years ago) link
nothing matters
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Sunday, 28 May 2017 19:00 (six years ago) link
who could have guessed
http://www.ksfy.com/content/news/Crews-cleaning-up-Keystone-Pipeline-leak-in-Marshall-County-458046943.html
― mookieproof, Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:33 (six years ago) link
"at least 210,000 gallons of oil "
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 16 November 2017 21:50 (six years ago) link
goddamn it
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 November 2017 22:55 (six years ago) link
actually this is great timing, the board's vote on Keystone XL is just a few days away and this is extra ammo against it
― Îá˝ĎΚĎ, Thursday, 16 November 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
I added Keystone to the thread title to make this thread more searchable because qualmsley started a separate Keystone thread. Open to suggestions on the name change though.
― how's life, Saturday, 18 November 2017 11:29 (six years ago) link
https://www.ecowatch.com/transcanada-pipeline-explodes-west-virginia-2576042392.html?xrs=RebelMouse_fb&ts=1528427379
― sleeve, Friday, 8 June 2018 18:32 (five years ago) link