if you don't care about the NSA conducting expanded domestic surveillance under Trump, then you haven't thought about it
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link
it's not really at the top of my list of concerns, no
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:15 (seven years ago) link
but then maybe I'm just cynically resigned to it since this all seemed inevitable following the Patriot Act. The combination of gov't interest and available technology was never going to be realistically constrained by legal barriers so I've just accepted it.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:16 (seven years ago) link
Go back and view Citizenfour again. Trump is just as vindictive as Nixon and if anything is less constrained by any trace of morality, which is really saying something. You may not be able to stop domestic surveillance abuse on your own or very quickly, but it is important to encourage more Snowden-like leakers and ACLU challenges. Just rolling over is no good.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link
Snowden is basically a traitor and an idiot imo and no I will not be watching CitizenFour again
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:27 (seven years ago) link
That's one answer, I suppose.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:28 (seven years ago) link
wow dude
― k3vin k., Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:29 (seven years ago) link
I don't think there is a legal solution to this tbh. and there isn't really a technological one either, as long as everybody wants phones that are connected to everything else and developed and sold to us by giant megacorporations.
xp
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:29 (seven years ago) link
If you accept that the PATRIOT Act created a legal framework that changed the boundaries of the problem, why do you conclude there is no legal solution? Making a law is not impossible. What's harder is creating a political atmosphere where observing the law is demanded and enforcement is seen as a duty. You don't get there by 'just accepting' the abuse of privacy as inevitable.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:34 (seven years ago) link
because there is no broad support for repealing the legal framework established by the Patriot Act, and there isn't going to be. Generally speaking, powers granted to (or assumed by) the state are never curtailed or removed or given up, barring a total collapse of the state.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link
That generality has a grain of truth, but it is far from an ironclad rule.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:46 (seven years ago) link
the federal government has been gradually accruing greater and greater power since the republic's founding, that trend isn't going to be reversed, especially by an increasingly cowed and ignorant populace that prizes safety over the much more abstract "privacy"
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:46 (seven years ago) link
Predicting the future by observing the present trend and drawing a straight line out to the horizon is almost always going to result in wrong conclusions.
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:51 (seven years ago) link
xxp:The DoD didn't have much choice in the matter of the Ohio-class replacement. The present ones are scheduled to start retiring in 2029, after a 45 year service life, so the contracts on who would do detailed engineering and building actually should have been signed last year.
― not because roaches like to party (Sanpaku), Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
Snowden Obama is basically a traitor and an idiot imo
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2017 19:53 (seven years ago) link
hiyioooooo
― trilby mouth (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:00 (seven years ago) link
we're having challops for supper again?
― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:00 (seven years ago) link
Someone who posted recently is pathologically sick, and I'm not sorry for him.
― Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:00 (seven years ago) link
Snowden is basically a traitor and an idiot imo
ACTOR ANALYSIS: rightwingers say this cuz they mean it and leftwingers say it cuz they want everyone to know they themselves were alarmed as far back as 2002
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:07 (seven years ago) link
btw it's not morbs' phonecalls one would prefer the incoming fascist government not have access to but the phonecalls of all the BLM activists and leftwing democrats and DSA kids and people who don't particularly like donald trump and other assorted traitors and idiots shortly to be part of the vast ISIS conspiracy
but i agree that, and w yr reasons that, this isn't going away
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link
dlh otm
― k3vin k., Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link
ftr I didn't really consider Snowden a traitor (or an idiot) til he went to Russia
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:28 (seven years ago) link
man c'mon
― goole, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:31 (seven years ago) link
But you do consider him a traitor and or idiot now? What was he supposed to do, wait for the Feds to show up on his doorsteps? Xp
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:32 (seven years ago) link
putin is for sure using him, but you've seen what we've done to whistleblowers. or chelsea manning.
― goole, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:32 (seven years ago) link
a hero would have gone to jail. totally cowardly to conclude that "hmm, yes allowing myself to be used as a pawn in a geopolitical power struggle on behalf of an autocratic murderous regime is preferable to accepting punishment for knowingly breaking the law", he's Putin's toy now. Embarrassing tweets during the election too.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link
What was he supposed to do, wait for the Feds to show up on his doorsteps
yup. own yr shit.
outic otm
― trilby mouth (darraghmac), Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:36 (seven years ago) link
but he's cute!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link
I was offended when Joseph Gordon Levitt was cast
i was offended on behalf of poitras
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:38 (seven years ago) link
https://m.popkey.co/a349a2/jWOlx.gif
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:40 (seven years ago) link
'Own yr shit' does not compute imho. He'd have never released all this if it meant accepting a life in jail, and rightfully so. Of course he jumped at the first invitation (which of course came from Putin). I've yet to see evidence he's Putin's toy tbh. He managed to stay out the US' hands and continue to fight for his cause. I admire that.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:42 (seven years ago) link
― k3vin k., Thursday, January 12, 2017 2:24 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
usually is imo
― jason waterfalls (gbx), Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:43 (seven years ago) link
He'd have never released all this if it meant accepting a life in jail, and rightfully so
this is where the "idiot" part comes in
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:54 (seven years ago) link
I didn't really consider Snowden a traitor (or an idiot) til he went to Russia
you mean when his travel docs were revoked midflight, you brainless Pelosi Dumbocrat? do you have a John Bolton mustache glued to your nitwit face?
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:54 (seven years ago) link
ie not thinking through the consequences of your actions, misjudging priorities etc.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:55 (seven years ago) link
oh look Old Man Insult Generator is here
I think he thought through the consequences very well, as he was already out of the country following the release.
Xp Old Man Insult Generator lmao
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
nobody cares about your phonecalls
i make hardly any, having only a landline, but i'm planning to attend a protest at a Trump hotel this weekend so ya never know
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 January 2017 20:58 (seven years ago) link
i was gonna make the same point without insulting you. he didn't really choose to end in russia, he was on his way to ecuador
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 12 January 2017 21:06 (seven years ago) link
lol @ oὖτις mouthing all the same dopey neocon talking points from 2013, congratulating himself for being "cynically resigned" to the idea of a tyrannical government, and insulting a guy who threw away the comforts of a pretty good life and condemned himself to possibly permanent exile from his home because he didn't want to spend the rest of his life in one of america's shitty inhumane prisons. not that i should've expected anything better from mr. "lol i've never even heard of that."
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 12 January 2017 21:38 (seven years ago) link
yup neocon, that's me
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 January 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link
I just post what the NRO tells me to
Pure challops, but if we want more leaks, wouldn't it be helpful to broaden the base for who has access to data?
Btw I loved the implication in Stones Snowden, that the man mainly became paranoid out of jealousy because he feared government agents would spy on his girlfriend naked.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 12 January 2017 22:22 (seven years ago) link
Well, he rescinded wet foot dry foot.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2017 22:23 (seven years ago) link
when i was in high school my (private) position on friends' parents who had decamped for canada in the late 60s was that this was craven and self-serving and that a patriotic enemy of the war ought to have demonstrated himself as only such by remaining to be jailed, but later i started to think, wait, fuck the war, and fuck jail
but canada is not russia. on that point tho: putin used snowden, but what he used more was the embarrassing fact that the united states files everything its citizens say, kinda the same way he used the embarrassing fact that the united states has reached a point of political breakdown at which it is capable of allowing a small minority to elect an obvious fascist, and tbh my position on both is p much
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_qMagfZtv8
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 12 January 2017 22:41 (seven years ago) link
by adducing Radiohead you undercut your argument
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2017 22:46 (seven years ago) link
i didn't want to imply i'd moved on entirely from high school
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 12 January 2017 22:47 (seven years ago) link
idiot bones
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 January 2017 22:51 (seven years ago) link