what do you want obama to do during his last month in office?

wow dude

I don't think there is a legal solution to this tbh. and there isn't really a technological one either, as long as everybody wants phones that are connected to everything else and developed and sold to us by giant megacorporations.

xp

If you accept that the PATRIOT Act created a legal framework that changed the boundaries of the problem, why do you conclude there is no legal solution? Making a law is not impossible. What's harder is creating a political atmosphere where observing the law is demanded and enforcement is seen as a duty. You don't get there by 'just accepting' the abuse of privacy as inevitable.

because there is no broad support for repealing the legal framework established by the Patriot Act, and there isn't going to be. Generally speaking, powers granted to (or assumed by) the state are never curtailed or removed or given up, barring a total collapse of the state.

That generality has a grain of truth, but it is far from an ironclad rule.

the federal government has been gradually accruing greater and greater power since the republic's founding, that trend isn't going to be reversed, especially by an increasingly cowed and ignorant populace that prizes safety over the much more abstract "privacy"

Predicting the future by observing the present trend and drawing a straight line out to the horizon is almost always going to result in wrong conclusions.

xxp:
The DoD didn't have much choice in the matter of the Ohio-class replacement. The present ones are scheduled to start retiring in 2029, after a 45 year service life, so the contracts on who would do detailed engineering and building actually should have been signed last year.

Snowden Obama is basically a traitor and an idiot imo

hiyioooooo

we're having challops for supper again?

Someone who posted recently is pathologically sick, and I'm not sorry for him.

Snowden is basically a traitor and an idiot imo

ACTOR ANALYSIS: rightwingers say this cuz they mean it and leftwingers say it cuz they want everyone to know they themselves were alarmed as far back as 2002

btw it's not morbs' phonecalls one would prefer the incoming fascist government not have access to but the phonecalls of all the BLM activists and leftwing democrats and DSA kids and people who don't particularly like donald trump and other assorted traitors and idiots shortly to be part of the vast ISIS conspiracy

but i agree that, and w yr reasons that, this isn't going away

dlh otm

ftr I didn't really consider Snowden a traitor (or an idiot) til he went to Russia

man c'mon

But you do consider him a traitor and or idiot now? What was he supposed to do, wait for the Feds to show up on his doorsteps? Xp

putin is for sure using him, but you've seen what we've done to whistleblowers. or chelsea manning.

a hero would have gone to jail. totally cowardly to conclude that "hmm, yes allowing myself to be used as a pawn in a geopolitical power struggle on behalf of an autocratic murderous regime is preferable to accepting punishment for knowingly breaking the law", he's Putin's toy now. Embarrassing tweets during the election too.

What was he supposed to do, wait for the Feds to show up on his doorsteps

yup. own yr shit.

outic otm

but he's cute!

I was offended when Joseph Gordon Levitt was cast

i was offended on behalf of poitras

https://m.popkey.co/a349a2/jWOlx.gif

'Own yr shit' does not compute imho. He'd have never released all this if it meant accepting a life in jail, and rightfully so. Of course he jumped at the first invitation (which of course came from Putin). I've yet to see evidence he's Putin's toy tbh. He managed to stay out the US' hands and continue to fight for his cause. I admire that.

dlh otm

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usually is imo

He'd have never released all this if it meant accepting a life in jail, and rightfully so

this is where the "idiot" part comes in

I didn't really consider Snowden a traitor (or an idiot) til he went to Russia

you mean when his travel docs were revoked midflight, you brainless Pelosi Dumbocrat? do you have a John Bolton mustache glued to your nitwit face?

ie not thinking through the consequences of your actions, misjudging priorities etc.

xp

oh look Old Man Insult Generator is here

I think he thought through the consequences very well, as he was already out of the country following the release.

Xp Old Man Insult Generator lmao

nobody cares about your phonecalls

i make hardly any, having only a landline, but i'm planning to attend a protest at a Trump hotel this weekend so ya never know

i was gonna make the same point without insulting you. he didn't really choose to end in russia, he was on his way to ecuador

lol @ oὖτις mouthing all the same dopey neocon talking points from 2013, congratulating himself for being "cynically resigned" to the idea of a tyrannical government, and insulting a guy who threw away the comforts of a pretty good life and condemned himself to possibly permanent exile from his home because he didn't want to spend the rest of his life in one of america's shitty inhumane prisons. not that i should've expected anything better from mr. "lol i've never even heard of that."

yup neocon, that's me

I just post what the NRO tells me to

Pure challops, but if we want more leaks, wouldn't it be helpful to broaden the base for who has access to data?

Btw I loved the implication in Stones Snowden, that the man mainly became paranoid out of jealousy because he feared government agents would spy on his girlfriend naked.

Well, he rescinded wet foot dry foot.

when i was in high school my (private) position on friends' parents who had decamped for canada in the late 60s was that this was craven and self-serving and that a patriotic enemy of the war ought to have demonstrated himself as only such by remaining to be jailed, but later i started to think, wait, fuck the war, and fuck jail

but canada is not russia. on that point tho: putin used snowden, but what he used more was the embarrassing fact that the united states files everything its citizens say, kinda the same way he used the embarrassing fact that the united states has reached a point of political breakdown at which it is capable of allowing a small minority to elect an obvious fascist, and tbh my position on both is p much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_qMagfZtv8

by adducing Radiohead you undercut your argument

i didn't want to imply i'd moved on entirely from high school

idiot bones

I wish it was the sixties, I wish I could be happy
I wish, I wish, I wish that something would happen

can't believe guy didn't want to go to jail, what an idiot

This thread you guys wtf happened

Loretta Lynch + James Clapper = Trump's East Germany

xp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggodEBYL9MU

Crut wins everything