a most palpable hit!
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 February 2017 21:33 (seven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sSIE-o2V9g
― ridiculous perm ban decision (voodoo chili), Monday, 6 February 2017 21:34 (seven years ago) link
deej will also probably tell you spotify means nothing because kids in chicago only listen to songs on musical.ly now or something
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 6 February 2017 21:34 (seven years ago) link
i will take 'hit' if we define 'hit' as charting in the top 10 of the billboard hot 100
wld probably take 'hit' under most definitions of 'hit song'
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Monday, 6 February 2017 21:38 (seven years ago) link
might take the under on peak hot 100 chart position at 4.5 def confident on the over at like 11.5
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Monday, 6 February 2017 21:39 (seven years ago) link
T-Shirt jumped from 37 to 19 on Billboard this week
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7678133/hot-100-ed-sheeran-shape-of-you-zayn-taylor-swift-surge-to
― ridiculous perm ban decision (voodoo chili), Monday, 6 February 2017 21:41 (seven years ago) link
I'd call that a hit but if deej says it isn't a hit then I guess there's that.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 6 February 2017 21:46 (seven years ago) link
stonewaller
― suggest bannon (||||||||), Monday, 6 February 2017 21:53 (seven years ago) link
My baseline suspicion/dismissal of trap is not dealing well with the amount I've enjoyed the Migos songs I've heard
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Monday, 6 February 2017 21:56 (seven years ago) link
it's a https://i0.wp.com/www.metalinjection.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/richard-spencer-punch-hatebreed.jpg?fit=700%2C367
― sheer presence, look and size (Noodle Vague), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:12 (seven years ago) link
It's #7 on the US Spotify chart atm.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Monday, 6 February 2017 22:18 (seven years ago) link
this will chart high due to streaming numbers, in a post-streams to charts world it is already a hit. i doubt it has any real longevity personally, shit is riding the waves from bad & boujee and a novelty video
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:15 (seven years ago) link
http://lymediseaseuk.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/moving-the-goalposts-300x2402.jpg
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Monday, 6 February 2017 23:16 (seven years ago) link
No this was actually all said in the original migos thread
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Monday, 6 February 2017 23:48 (seven years ago) link
― ornate orchestral arrangements (DJP), Monday, February 6, 2017 4:56 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
feel like if u put migos in the trap bucket theyre def more fun than their contemporaries who tend more towards the moody/serious/arty axis, but if u compare them to the mumble rappers theyre kinda the standard level of fun, both those classifications are kinda whatever imo but maybe interesting in this context
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:18 (seven years ago) link
damn gotta switch out your lures there Whiney, he ain't bitin
xpost
― Neanderthal, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 00:27 (seven years ago) link
david is right that its chart number may be artificially inflated, if it's off the chart in three weeks it wasn't actually a hit so much as the next song to come out after "bad and boujee"
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 7 February 2017 04:49 (seven years ago) link
i mean timmy turner was a hit in chart position but i dont think you can call it a hit in any real way
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 04:51 (seven years ago) link
except ... chart position?
― alpine static, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 05:16 (seven years ago) link
my point is that chart peak is a suspect measurement. what kind of attempted own was that?
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 05:24 (seven years ago) link
Bad and Boujee was a hit because of streaming. And then it was a hit in other formats - because of streaming. Same thing happened with Juju and most other rap hits that no one thought were real hits.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 06:03 (seven years ago) link
― alpine static, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 12:16 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark
there's a long phenomenon of songs having short bursts of chart relevancy at the very beginning of their life cycles going back to itunes sales getting incorporated into chart data
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 7 February 2017 06:27 (seven years ago) link
every song from starboy placed in the hot 100 its first week but the weeknd has 2 hits off that album so far
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 7 February 2017 06:29 (seven years ago) link
But now that seems to be changing. The songs that reach top 10 via streaming hang around longer these days because other formats start picking them up from there. That's what happened to Black Beatles, for instance. It's a new set of rules.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 06:33 (seven years ago) link
i wasn't trying to "own" anyone, i just think it sounds funny to say a song's not a hit except in the way we track hits, but y'all know how that stuff works better than me
― alpine static, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 06:53 (seven years ago) link
fake hit
― suggest bannon (||||||||), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 07:16 (seven years ago) link
weingars, get to, droppin, when that, drake-o, get to, poppin [fddrrrr]
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 07:27 (seven years ago) link
sometimes differentiating between a one month and six month hit matters a lot anthropologically but less so with 't-shirt' bc it is a super rad banger duh
whichever prevailing current u may opine it is most aided by (4real zeitgeist wave, industry ersatz hypebestiality, meme magic, or ppl's personal bubbles where they care about neither) (or... all of them at once *gasp*) it is v disingenuous rhetoric to imply that it only has marginal/negligible appeal beyond that. foh with the timmy turner
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 07:39 (seven years ago) link
Timmy Turner reached #34 on the Hot 100, which makes it a minor hit but no t-shirt.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 07:45 (seven years ago) link
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 12:03 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I'm aware dumbass. What is wrong with you guys
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 08:28 (seven years ago) link
― alpine static, Tuesday, February 7, 2017 12:53 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
"We"
Suddenly going top 40 is a "minor hit" ? You guys have to make up your mind here about whether you're going to be strict charts constructionists or not around something other than the migos hypebeast cycle
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 08:30 (seven years ago) link
If you're talking Timmy Turner, dumbass, then yes. Since it was his follow up to a Hot 100 #1 hit and was massively hyped, I'd consider it a minor hit at 34.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 08:40 (seven years ago) link
T shirt has so far peaked at 37....
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 08:46 (seven years ago) link
"...and Migos' "T-Shirt," from Culture, vaults 37-19." http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7678133/hot-100-ed-sheeran-shape-of-you-zayn-taylor-swift-surge-to
I was replying to J0rdan's "there's a long phenomenon of songs having short bursts of chart relevancy at the very beginning of their life cycles going back to itunes sales getting incorporated into chart data" - the point being that such long phenomenas are changing so that the past might not be the best way of assessing what will happen to a song like T-Shirt. Also, the weeknd is a strange point of comparison since his chart success largely derives from him catering to the old business model of letting the label take care of the marketing, writing songs for radio etc etc. He's not playing the Migos game.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 08:53 (seven years ago) link
no, what's changing is that songs that should have been bigger are getting more attention, but it doesn't change songs artificially launched into the top cf 'timmy turner' or 't-shirt'...per rtc tho yes t shirt is better than timmy turner
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 09:39 (seven years ago) link
if t-shirt had come pre- bad & boujee, it would not be a hit
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 09:40 (seven years ago) link
'say sum' is more of a hit than 't shirt' it just had the bad fortune to come before the colossus that is 'bad & boujee'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ16egvquKE
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 09:41 (seven years ago) link
Also, the weeknd is a strange point of comparison since his chart success largely derives from him catering to the old business model of letting the label take care of the marketing, writing songs for radio etc etc. He's not playing the Migos game.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 2:53 AM (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
also you're kidding yourself if you think migos aren't 'writing songs for radio'
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 09:43 (seven years ago) link
Well good luck with your alternative facts, deej. Every song comes out after another song. And Migos are writing the same type of songs that they always did about the same subject matter. That they do it better than on their last album and have developed their pop sensibilities quite a bit does not make Culture comparable to Starboy, sorry. Radio plays Bad & Boujee because it is already a hit but B&B was not written for radio and radio didn't make it a hit in the first place.
What's "artificial" about the streaming charts though? Those are the songs listeners actively seek out, unless you want to make an argument about playlists like Rap Caviar "skewing" the stats. As mentioned above, today T-Shirt is at number 7 on the US spotify chart: https://spotifycharts.com/regional/us/daily/latest How does that not reflect its actual popularity?
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 09:49 (seven years ago) link
They should have put cocoon on the album though.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 09:54 (seven years ago) link
agree its obv not another breakthru full spectrum cultural moment like 'b&b' but no one was rly claiming that either
"songs artificially launched into the top" there is a fine diff between zeitgeist and hypebeast and u know this... both distortive but only one is artificial
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 10:10 (seven years ago) link
i might add by the by that it actually sounds awesome on the radio but i suppose the relevance of that depends on what radio is being discussed
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 10:13 (seven years ago) link
wait why does streaming numbers not count into what is a hit?
isn't that the dominant form of music listening now?
― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:17 (seven years ago) link
if you search for "Migos" on apple music and tap on Bad and Boujee (probably why ppl are searching for Migos atm) then T-Shirt will start auto-playing after it finishes
if that happens on at least one other service, we know at least the first ten seconds of T-Shirt will be a hit because it takes a sec to hit the back button
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
mama told me that streaming don't work, one-hit wonder just like Truth Hurts
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:31 (seven years ago) link
testing this on alexa
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link
wo wo wo wo
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:53 (seven years ago) link
ah the good uzi verse nice to enjoy it
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 16:56 (seven years ago) link
so far the tracklist from asking alexa to "play migos" (via spotify) is1 bad n boujee2 hit juug
lol?
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 7 February 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link
i don't think deej is wrong for questioning the attention that ppl put into the migos who are competent and formulaic and such could easily leave one cold -- the problem is that they're objectively popular and so the answer is a tautology
― J0rdan S., Monday, 29 January 2018 22:41 (six years ago) link
not sure if you guys have discussed this or not but iirc they are bigger than the beatles
― gr8080, Monday, 29 January 2018 22:59 (six years ago) link
i have heard many times on twitter that they are bigger and also better than the beatles to i assume its prob true
― lag∞n, Monday, 29 January 2018 23:03 (six years ago) link
jordan otm -- popular artist is given attention because they're popular
― k3vin k., Monday, 29 January 2018 23:13 (six years ago) link
The thing about Culture is that it's 'formulaic' only insofar as it dugs into the very essence of it's genre and stays there. It's such a pure sonic distillation of what they do, triplets, quarter notes, slow beats, ad libs, without anything to disturb the magic. No personal pain as with Future, no outsized personality like Young Thug, not really any melodies, no distracting narratives, everything is just moment to moment clashes of sounds, differing intensities. Vince Staples claimed he was inspired by club music on Big Fish Theory, but to my mind it was Culture that made rap sound like dance music, all about movement. I freaking love that album. I think I've said it before, but to me it's forerunners are albums like Funcrusher Plus.
― Frederik B, Monday, 29 January 2018 23:26 (six years ago) link
i love migos idc they have a strong sound, i dont know if competent and formulaic is any sort of current consensus on them but its kinda interesting contrasted to the opinion on them when they first came out which was technically deficient novelty act, smh cant get no respect
― lag∞n, Monday, 29 January 2018 23:29 (six years ago) link
any more thoughts on Culture II? Still don't feel like I've scratched the surface properly. It sounds at once poppier but also less immediate to its predecessor. I like 'Made Men' quite a lot but a lot of the songs kind of drag a bit?
― brand new universal harvester (dog latin), Friday, 4 May 2018 13:54 (six years ago) link
About half of the tracks are at least good to very good, but it all still feels like just a bunch of songs. There's no thought to it. Just another day on the job. Two weeks later they probably could have released an equally long and equally good album. Which tells you something about how nice they are even when they're on autopilot, I guess. But it's mostly frustrating.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:31 (six years ago) link
haven't revisited it in full, but i do return to some of the highlights. mostly "too much jewelry," "too playa," and "narcos."
― 808s & Deep States (voodoo chili), Friday, 4 May 2018 14:41 (six years ago) link
i havent really listened to it cause when it came out i had an amazon echo in my kitchen and i cld not no matter what i tried get alexa to play it
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 May 2018 15:14 (six years ago) link
some albums have "t-shirt" some don't
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 May 2018 19:10 (six years ago) link
otm
― lag∞n, Friday, 4 May 2018 21:12 (six years ago) link
It's the 2K10's analog to Wu-Tang Forever, right? For lots of reasons.
― mr.raffles, Saturday, 5 May 2018 02:21 (six years ago) link
what is
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 May 2018 02:22 (six years ago) link
Culture II
― mr.raffles, Saturday, 5 May 2018 02:24 (six years ago) link
what are the reasons
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 May 2018 02:26 (six years ago) link
both doing/did well, but without the sense that they'll continue moving things forward commercially long and sprawling albums, when compared to their breakthroughs5 and a half minute less immediate than normal opening singles
a few parallels for sure? Forever is certainly more highly regarded, but, that album took a minute to find its fans.
― mr.raffles, Saturday, 5 May 2018 02:32 (six years ago) link
ok sure
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 May 2018 02:35 (six years ago) link
forever is such a flawed masterpiece, like every song has a bad verse
― lag∞n, Saturday, 5 May 2018 02:35 (six years ago) link
should we start a new poll “culture ii” vs. “wu tang forever” jk culture 2 would win
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 May 2018 02:36 (six years ago) link
― lag∞n, Saturday, 5 May 2018 02:37 (six years ago) link
heh
What ARE records like Forever and Culture II? Not really New Jersey's, but... close.
― mr.raffles, Saturday, 5 May 2018 02:39 (six years ago) link
Supastars is actually pretty great, btw. It’s no t-shirt but it has grown on me.
And the verses on WTF were good iirc? The problem was that they didn’t quite come together as songs, and that there weren’t many real hits.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 5 May 2018 08:14 (six years ago) link
XpostCulture II and Wu Tang Forever aren't New Jerseys they are Use Your Illusions, a thing I just made up
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 May 2018 12:14 (six years ago) link
Sounds about right. Sr3mm is somehow NOT a UYI though.
― human and working on getting beer (longneck), Saturday, 5 May 2018 13:14 (six years ago) link
Man wu tang forever is way better than this... culture ii is if wu tang forever was recorded by Das efx... migos are not young millennial wu tang I’m offended
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 5 May 2018 17:06 (six years ago) link
I do agree they’re both UYA’s though
"young millennial wu tang"
finally found my rapper name thanks
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 5 May 2018 17:10 (six years ago) link
migos needs more guys if they want to be wu-tang the wu had like 25 guys ghostface killer, ugly sword, the gnarly monk and so forth
― lag∞n, Saturday, 5 May 2018 17:23 (six years ago) link
and several of those guys released classic solo albums before 'wu tang forever' dropped
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 5 May 2018 17:31 (six years ago) link
who can forget gnarley monk's 'surf ninjas' lp
Yeah I mean I don't think they are on Wu's level
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 5 May 2018 17:45 (six years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/2CUoH6U.png
― lag∞n, Saturday, 5 May 2018 17:50 (six years ago) link
i wonder how that's aged
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Saturday, 5 May 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
Culture II and Wu Tang Forever aren't New Jerseys they are Use Your Illusions, a thing I just made up
whoa
― I am Larry Bird I always make the trey (rip van wanko), Saturday, 5 May 2018 17:55 (six years ago) link
Wasn't comparing the quality of their work!
Comparing the cultural spot they find themselves in both heading into and out of the follow-up to their breakthrough.
― mr.raffles, Saturday, 5 May 2018 18:06 (six years ago) link
The new Takeoff tape is the best Migos-fronted release of the year
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Friday, 2 November 2018 17:54 (five years ago) link
low bar lol
― lag∞n, Friday, 2 November 2018 18:07 (five years ago) link
well yeah, but it is good
― fred-a van vleet (voodoo chili), Friday, 2 November 2018 18:16 (five years ago) link
Have we talked ab out Culture III at all yet?
― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Monday, 19 July 2021 15:52 (two years ago) link
Wearing my “t-shirt” today
― Yours in Sorrow, A Schoolboy: (forksclovetofu), Monday, 19 July 2021 16:45 (two years ago) link
quavo and takeoff announced a new rap duo and offset unfollowed them both on instagram 🙀 is it possible that they are amigos no longer??
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Thursday, 19 May 2022 22:39 (one year ago) link
yeah
― lag∞n, Thursday, 19 May 2022 22:41 (one year ago) link
gonna be an awkward family reunion
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Thursday, 19 May 2022 22:45 (one year ago) link