Any reason why ILM is so quiet these days?

Hold on now.

A Christopher I refused to Cross.

Even I like that famous Richard Marx song.

I don't know who Turrican is, just that he's one of my favorite posters.

Thanks, McBoing-McBoing... likewise! :)

-Mc

I'd be completely amazed if anyone I worked with knew who Steely Dan were, let alone one of their songs.

no one, btw, has insisted ppl should participate in the genre threads. just that if you're going to brain drain them, you should at least be reading the convo & not merely plucking every audio file discussed absent context
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 7:48 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why do you care

― Wozniak on Kimye's Baby (jaymc), Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:59 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Because I signed up for a discussion board not to supply people with free bad playlists?

Because a group playlist necessarily removes everything interesting from the friction of the group discussion and turns it into a fake bland consensus

Because as lex suggested it could have a deleterious effect on discussion

Because some people have said they didn't want to post while it was in effect

Because I don't use it & don't see the functional purpose

Because in the rap thread there are often songs that serve as discussion points but aren't necessarily good (cf if we were keeping up with news we'd probably have talked about 50 cent's son dissing his dad but no one in their right mind would want that song actually saved in perpetuity for playlist purposes)

There are endless reasons it's dumb. No, it's not the only thing hurting discussion, probably not even the main thing. I'm still very comfortable being annoyed by it & im not sure why everyone thinks it's so bitter and toxic to say so, or why my concerns are being conflated with juvenile male dickhole knowledge hoarding. Seriously gtfo with that

i was listening to the famous kim carnes album the other day because i had an MFSL pressing of it and i wanted to hear Bette Davis Eyes in sparkling audiophile sound and i kept listening to it and i thought wow this is better than a lot of later rod stewart albums probably and i thought that there must be an ILX In Praise Of...Mistaken Identity and then i looked and saw that kim carnes has FOURTEEN albums and i had a vision of a future ILX thread devoted to listening to all `14 of them. then i played something else. #ILXTHINKING

OH and then i played Gino Vannelli's Powerful People album because I also had an MFSL pressing of that and the first song totally sounds like Steely Dan and I thought of ILX.

for the record, i had my steely dan hepcat epiphany in the early 90's, but i was always a fan. or at least of their radio hits.

really is the best steely dan homage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhjX6-iWIAg

Maybe it's a Glasgow thing, but I don't remember Steely Dan ever being beyond the pale particularly, even when I was a indie kid along with all the other little indie kids.

Oh man, is that entire album like that Gino Vanneli track you posted, Scptt??

maybe it was all that Texas and Blue Nile on the radio. made it seem normal.

x-post

it's not all like that, but it's a good album.

gino-post

My neighborhood pizza joint has a sign establishing their opposition to racism, sexism, ageism, body-shaming etc.; when I put that against something like the Barenaked Ladies album cover thread, I think it's hard to sustain the idea that whatever its pros and cons ILX is basically as inclusive and anti-toxicity as you can possibly ask for.

― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino)

more importantly the pizza here sucks

let's all user our government names so this stops being a problem

― nashwan

but my government name is "karl malone".

ilx will totally ruin you for normal world. on that facebook group people will post steely dan records and go: "Now say what you will about Steely Dan..."

like it's a bold move to champion such a reviled group. "I don't care what anyone says, Aja is tops in my book!"

and i groan and roll my eyes a lot. and this is true with not only Steely Dan but with so many things in the wider world. I'm sure everyone here is familiar with that.

― scott seward

it's not that steely dan are _bad_, it's that the dickhole dad crew who hate steely dan _really_ hate steely dan and will bring it up every fucking time somebody mentions them. same goes for, like, the eagles (even before that one movie), and phil collins, and frank zappa. some of those dickhole dads will go to their deaths not realizing that nobody gives a shit that they hate steely dan.

maybe it was all that Texas and Blue Nile on the radio. made it seem normal.

I'm talking before that, which might indicate why stuff like Texas, Blue Nile and (duh) Deacon Blue came out of Glasgow.

there is a nice tribute to jim croce on that gino album. his early albums have a good funky jazz pop thing going on. with his occasional naked and unashamed outbursts of chest hair histrionics.

wait, i'm confused. dickhole dads who hate steely dan in real life or here? i thought they were dad rock. and i thought most people liked them here.

Maybe a generation of dads that don't and will never like dad rock.

i know that kneejerk classic radio rock hate has been a thing since the punk 70's but i've always found it easy to avoid. i never really had to listen to people go on and on about how they hate the steve miller band much. mostly here actually. in old-ilx days. when van morrison was public enemy number one.

it's just weird how on facebook normal people will feel self-conscious about liking 70's jazz rock because its not hip enough or something when all the hip people are actually listening to stuff that is way more normal. and yes i did try to get people to listen to Poco for years.

(and really its just funny to see what people think is hated and reviled. i don't know where they get it from. they will post stuff on FB that everyone likes and be all defensive about it. and jesus Taylor Swift starts wars in normal land. they are fighting old battles on social networks. also, vinyl is back.)

Poco are reasonably popular on ILM! I like 'em!

i don't know what people here think or don't think here; all i know is that steely dan have a lot of haters for a lot of reasons. slick, cynical, too many jazz chords - old hatreds never die, not really. people just slowly conclude that steely dan isn't worth hating.

i guess i just don't know those people. but yeah i see the evidence of that like i said. on FB.

steely dan afaict are almost universally loved here perhaps especially by mediocre dickhole dad posse

speaking of Scotland, jesus christmas i couldn't believe how great the happy birthday album by altered images sounded to me last week. i think its a crying shame that people only know that song from the album and think of them as some sort of lol 80's VH1 band. post-punk classic! you guys know that already. i just hadn't heard it in decades. didn't feel like reviving a thread. carry on.

Any major dickhole dad will tell you

ok, ok, you've baited me into it. i fucking hate steely dan. always will. and van morrison. and poco.

Ex-pee

ilm is still gr8 bc ppl don't bang on with stupid crap like "the beegees are lame"

i <3 u ilm

i've got tickets to the VAN THE MAN AND THE DAN TOUR 2017. dooder so sweeeeeeet....

if any given ilm thread runs long enough will it eventually be about steely dan

otm

I think ILM lost some of its utility, through no fault of its own, as the wider music world grew more tolerant of niche interests and dissenting opinions. I joined in 2009 because this was the only community where critics seemed really into R&B. Nowadays even NPR covers it. Similarly you can easily find pockets of critics into emo, boy bands, Steely Dan, etc on Twitter or elsewhere. We're able to have the conversations we used to have to come here for elsewhere.

steely dan are not as bad as hitler, i will give you that.

van the man and dan with can and max sharam

Scott- Growing up, most music coverage I looked at was uk publications and BBC shows which despite Mojo and Uncut's holy canon of acceptable dadrock, the scathing hatred towards lots of older rock used to seem like it was everywhere. Seems kind of nightmarish in retrospect.
I think some people still carry the consensus from an earlier time because they didn't read in the places where the shifts happened.

I used my real name to get work. Totally worked too.

― scott seward, Wednesday, February 8, 2017 9:47 AM (one hour ago)

I figured I was the only person in the world with my name (still seems to be the case), and I'd been just posting as me since 1993 on Usenet so hey. Guess it helped!

if any given ilm thread runs long enough will it eventually be about steely dan

― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, February 8, 2017 12:12 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

or R@di0h3@d

Also:

chest hair histrionics

This should be the new fake genre reclaiming. The modern 'junkshop glam' et al.

What does the name "Raggett" mean?

R is for relish, you seek a challenge.

A is for able, for you surely are.

G is for genial, a pleasing personality.

G is for golden, memories you share.

E is for extra, those little things you do!

T is for treasure, of your friendship.

T is for treasure, of your friendship.

http://www.names.org/n/raggett/about

chest hair histrionics
This should be the new fake genre reclaiming. The modern 'junkshop glam' et al.

― Ned Raggett

finders keepers already did this in 2012!

i was listening to the famous kim carnes album the other day because i had an MFSL pressing of it and i wanted to hear Bette Davis Eyes in sparkling audiophile sound and i kept listening to it and i thought wow this is better than a lot of later rod stewart albums probably and i thought that there must be an ILX In Praise Of...Mistaken Identity and then i looked and saw that kim carnes has FOURTEEN albums and i had a vision of a future ILX thread devoted to listening to all `14 of them. then i played something else. #ILXTHINKING

pretty sure I tried do start a Carnes conversation once; pretty sure I'm responsible for every Carnes thread.

finders keepers already did this in 2012!

Then it is time for the ironic revival.

wait, i'm confused. dickhole dads who hate steely dan in real life or here? i thought they were dad rock.

I like that Dad Rock is a constant no matter how many years pass. Dads these days were in college in the 90s or 00s. Dad Rock is Radiohead and Arcade Fire.

dying @ the Ned's name post.

i love you all

Because I don't use it & don't see the functional purpose

Because it's way easier to put on a playlist of songs at work while reading a rolling thread than it is to click individual youtube links.

dying @ the Ned's name post.

Double the treasure seems apt, really.

I was thinking of stuff i had written over the years for various ILXors - I never gave Matos a really good review, I still feel kinda bad about that - and I remembered something I had written for Whiney TEN years ago when he had a music website. I always liked it. AND it predicts the rise of Trumpism! I'm a prophet.

Defcon 4

You ever see the movie Defcon 4? Yeah, me neither. Or wait, did I? Eh, probably. Who knows anymore. I’m so jaded when it comes to kitschy apocalyptica. And my memory is poor. And I’ve seen a million movies. Today at work I was emptying one of those big outdoor ashtrays. You know the ones. A Rubbermaid. Jesus, Rubbermaid, there’s a movie for you. Thousands of Ohioans living and dead could tell the whole dirty story while gritting their teeth at the memory of the loss and the misplaced pride. What, like the end of the world hasn’t actually come yet? You need futuristic neon dystopias to tell the tale of man’s folly? Take a look around, buddy. Anyway, this big-ass plastic ashtray with the gaping metal mouth was beyond full. The butts crammed to the top formed a single tube of soggy and yet hardened nic fit. It took forever to get them out of there. And I couldn’t help but feel like I had seen this movie before. And I had. In a way. When I was 16 and wiping shit off of supermarket bathroom walls. When I was 26 and on my hands and knees cleaning mouse shit off of dirty deli floors. And when I was 36 and changing stinky diapers by myself in a small damp house far from everyone and everything that I knew and trying to embrace the love I felt for my son, while, at the same time, ducking dark storm clouds of isolation and fear.
Which is just another way of saying that Defcon 4 are a decent Boston punk band that mixes doom and crust and sharpened Eyehategod teeth all in the service of…what? I don’t know. Another pennant? Hatred of Ben Affleck’s street cred? All I know is, from the area of the universe that gave me SSD and Converge, I expect MORE pain. And MORE convincing wails of torment. Their stylistic twists and turns aren’t as compelling as the more advanced cosmic crust moves of Kylesa or Baroness either. But, hey, they are young, right? I have no idea, are they? Well, they sound young. And kinda peppy even. And hanging out with Steve Austin was a good move too. Their record sounds smooth. I’m just not feeling very smooth. I give any young band the same advice I gave a guy I met last week who only has two months to live (gallbladder): It’s never too late to become a reader. You might not want to start with War & Peace though.

apparently i just hang out on this thread now. i'm moving in. if you still want to bitch about Spotify and toxicity feel free to work around me. I'll be hanging curtains.

I'm blocking everyone else in order to listen to the prophet