Any reason why ILM is so quiet these days?

(Makes u think why they are friends in the first place tbh)

i think, aside from perhaps generational/historical shifts in taste and sensibility, there is just a rough limit on the scope of what there is to get / not get about music, and collectively ilm has arrived at it (it's not hard to do), so lacking an infusion of people committed to not getting / figuring out how to get anything (who are often young people for obvious reasons), it does not really meet the conditions necessary for motivating energetic conflicts about whether or how to get things anymore.

I'm not sure I agree with the Hegelian epistemology (?) behind the idea that ilm has arrived at what there is to get abt music, but all the same this seems otm - and as an addendum to the sticky post explaining abbreviations, often referenced anecdotes, anti-harassment policies etc. it might be nice to feature some kind of... well, obv not a manifest or anything, but maybe a collection of choice posts (not necessarily in agreement) that would give newcomers (or old timers) an idea of what set of aesthetics are generally accepted at ilm, or used for discussion purposes...

(so not gonna happen)

Steely Dan poll was great btw

keepin it mediocre dickhole dan posse

xxp lol i don't mean -the historical truth-, tho i did mean to reserve the possibility that we are all on the way to being doddering old cranks who are deaf to the kids of tomorrow's crazy weedilleywoos. it's just that once a person's / group's tastes (etc) become catholic enough, it's hard to think there's anywhere to expand.

"Defcon 4

You ever see the movie Defcon 4? Yeah, me neither. Or wait, did I? Eh, probably. Who knows anymore.

― scott seward"

i saw that movie! it was terrible!

"at one point that was the idea of this thread, I don't know when it became about steely dan

(I dislike steely dan and find the pressure among music critic types to take them [of all people!] seriously is suffocating, does that make me a dad)

― a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine)"

it just kind of drifted. i don't think there's anybody here seriously stanning for being a complete asshole to random people on aesthetic matters of little to no consequence (though i could be wrong on this!) so eventually we hit steely dan and name acrostics.

I feel like there's more pressure to like Fleetwood Mac than Steely Dan on ILM (imho)

good thing I'm a dad who likes both of these popular FM classic rock groups!

i can't even remember who is concerned about the lack of newcomers. i think you really have to want to be here. it's like when i played laughing stock by talk talk to my kid and i asked him what he thought and he said "you really have to want to listen to that music".

prophet jr.

xp not only did they record great albums, they're also top shelf material for showing off your new hifi setup

if any given ilm thread runs long enough will it eventually be about steely dan

― who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Wednesday, February 8, 2017 2:12 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is funny i was listening to Traffic's "The low spark of high heeled boys" and side A kept reminding me of Steely Dan.

My neighborhood pizza joint has a sign establishing their opposition to racism, sexism, ageism, body-shaming etc.; when I put that against something like the Barenaked Ladies album cover thread, I think it's hard to sustain the idea that whatever its pros and cons ILX is basically as inclusive and anti-toxicity as you can possibly ask for.

― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:48 AM (thirteen hours ago)

no, that would be a retarded conclusion to draw.

I feel like there's more pressure to like Fleetwood Mac than Steely Dan on ILM (imho)

good thing I'm a dad who likes both of these popular FM classic rock groups!

― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, February 8, 2017 5:06 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no one dislikes fleetwood mac in society either.

You say you want the younger people in here but I've been subscribed to some music subreddits seemingly filled with people below 20s like r/music, r/indieheads, r/hiphopheads, r/listentothis and r/futurebeats and while the music being shared is sometimes nice I think they'd run in tears if they spent an hour in ILM. They can't stand a single critique about anything in there even if it's not a mean one.

isn't that the nature of reddit being a terrible place to have a serious discussion about anything? with those sort of genre-segregated boards + very large readership + reddit's upvote system you generally get boring hivemind consensuses that downvote anything critical of it rather than interesting and critical discussions.

wait, people dont like abba?

*raises hand*

*raises it higher*

I think that Steely Dan is like cilantro -- there are people that just aren't into it, no matter how much someone that loves it can try and convince someone that it's awesome, it just tastes like soap or whatever people who don't like cilantro think it tastes like -- whatever that taste is, that is how I feel about Steely Dan. And as a lover of cilantro, I can accept that people have different tastes: people that love Steely Dan can just shake their heads and believe I am missing out, just like I do about people who dislike cilantro, one of the most delicious herbs known to humanity.

I don't really like Fleetwood Mac, Van Morrison, Steely Dan OR Eric Clapton, AMA.

ABBA were critically rehabilitated more than 20 years ago, you would have to be the most unreconstructed classical rockist mojo reader to not consider them canon now (for better or for worse - I like them, not as much as some though)

Not sure what Eric Clapton is doing in there, no-one likes him.

I think that Steely Dan is like cilantro -- there are people that just aren't into it, no matter how much someone that loves it can try and convince someone that it's awesome, it just tastes like soap or whatever people who don't like cilantro think it tastes like -- whatever that taste is, that is how I feel about Steely Dan. And as a lover of cilantro, I can accept that people have different tastes: people that love Steely Dan can just shake their heads and believe I am missing out, just like I do about people who dislike cilantro, one of the most delicious herbs known to humanity.

for Steely Dan insert any artist in any sphere of art and this is true, which is why certain kinds of opinion - those that seek to prove cilantro tastes great/horrible by algebra, or those that just repeat over and over "I love/hate cilantro and there's nothing you can do to stop me", or those furrow-browed "why the hell does anybody like the taste of cilantro?" comments - are stupid and mockworthy and to be chased away if you feel like it on any given day

xp Fair enough. Sure there is someone out there though.

Steely Dan seem to be all-time-favourite-artists of pretty much everyone at the AV Club

Have Steely Dan got anything with this yacht rock thing? Something of which I have no knowledge whatsoever beyond the fact that there's a thread about it on ILM... I think.

I think all this bloody Steely Dan talk is a deterrent for younger music nerds far more than the fighting.

xxp - we haven't polled the best food products that contain cilantro

Steely Dan are Yacht Rock-adjacent iirc

As a young person I can confirm I made fun of a middle aged customer in front of his mates for liking Steely Dan within the last year.

(I am open to being converted tho)

you monster

Show no mercy to dickhole dads.

heyyy was there ever a yacht rock poll?

Is Cilantro any different to Coriander? Like in the way US Ginseng is completely different to Chinese Ginseng.

I don't really like Fleetwood Mac, Van Morrison, Steely Dan OR Eric Clapton, AMA.

ABBA were critically rehabilitated more than 20 years ago, you would have to be the most unreconstructed classical rockist mojo reader to not consider them canon now (for better or for worse - I like them, not as much as some though)

― Camaraderie at Arms Length

i think even mojo like abba now. as for eric clapton he is at least hatable on "racist shitbag" grounds. kind of like there's a contingent who really love the music of kiss, and they'd probably be unimpeachably canon if gene simmons wasn't such a completely horrible human being.

(I am open to being converted tho)

― devvvine, Thursday, February 9, 2017 4:09 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

read one of the long threads about gaucho then listen to gaucho imo

Will give it a try, thanks.

then apologise to that elderly man you attacked

lol

"i think even mojo like abba now."

They did and ABBA cover issue about 15 years ago

Or redouble your attack depending on what you think of Gaucho.(xp)

Gaucho is the grower for the already-converted - start with Katy Lied imo.

A greatest hits would be best. I wouldn't start with Gaucho.

yeah i thought about that even though i immediately loved gaucho

i've never been a newcomer to a band through an ilm poll but the steely dan poll is a really good summary of their stuff. good writing in the rollout too iirc

Committed to Gaucho, Don't hate this so far. Babylon Sisters vibe reminds me of the drinks party in The Player.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uwxTYjq2ChU/UVTTliSW_vI/AAAAAAAAGzo/PQjkK93fnBo/s1600/DicksParty_ThePlayer.jpg

I listened to some of Katy Lied. I just don't like it, sorry. Specifically I don't like those 70s classic rock vocals and guitar solos, they just leave me completely cold.

serious, i highly recommend the "buy up the discography, focus on it for a week" approach. when i picked up SD's stuff, i didn't go on my computer for a month. try it!

― gear (gear), Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:13 PM (ten years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this post haunts my thoughts quite often

Cilantro has no business being anywhere near Cuban food.

reminds me that I need to check out the new-ish cuban restaurant

i'll resist bringing my own cilantro

serious, i highly recommend the "buy up the discography, focus on it for a week" approach. when i picked up SD's stuff, i didn't go on my computer for a month. try it!

― gear (gear), Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:13 PM (ten years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's what i did. i think i picked up the entire SD catalog for a few bucks an album at a single record store

i hate abba btw