Least promising Sequel/Remake/Franchise Flick of 2017

Whedon has a commentary on the A:R disc where he talks quite a lot about what in that movie is what he wrote and what isn't.

that issue where Kitty faces a lone N'Garai demon in the basement (which doubles as a blatant ripoff of Halloween)

I haven't read a superhero comic in 30 years, but this is the one I was thinking of.

Whedon also wrote the first X-Men movie and Toy Story, if you weren't aware and were looking for another shockingly late revelation.

Whedon has a commentary on the A:R disc where he talks quite a lot about what in that movie is what he wrote and what isn't.

people always defend him with this, but almost all the stuff I hated most is in his original script

Alien 3 assembly cut is actually pretty good: somewhat better than the cinema release. It's still a very flawed film, but a very interesting flawed film. It has some incredibly shoddy audio in a couple of extra scenes, though. Another plus for me is that it also features no horribly dying dogs.

Whedon also did some work on "Speed."

He is pissy about how much of his work was cut from X-Men, and bitches about the delivery of one of the two lines that remains (lightning, frog), which suggests that he really didn't get what the excellent resulting film was about. Which is about on par for Joss Whedon.

Alien: Resurrection is also a fine Alien film, it's just an Alien film made by the people who made Delicatessen rather than the ones who made Terminator or Sesevenen.

Logan is basically the X-Men's Children of Men, for good or bad (mostly good!), by the way.

Beauty and the Beast this whole live-action Disney remake scam is so stupid, and of all the canonical Disney films this is maybe the most offensive, greeeeeat.

― tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Friday, 24 February 2017 01:44

Why is this more offensive? I suspect it was made in a hurry to keep away the Christophe Gans version (which looks like he can't stay away from cgi overkill). That would be a very Disney move.

Bad Dads & A Bad Moms Christmas? Did Bad Santa start this trend?

Bad Teachers
Bad Bosses
Bad Neighbors
Jackass Presents: Bad Grandpa

And their sequels.

"Okay, picture some kids. Buncha kids, hangin' out, playing, whatever it is that kids do. Keep that image in your mind. Now, you may want to strap yourself in for this next twist. What if these kids...what if they were bad? Huh? Just blew your mind a little, didn't I?"

Bad Gardeners

Old Lunch- That's what I was thinking. As if there's a huge thrill in the idea of people acting inappropriate. A bit like those chocolate and yogurt adverts where it's oh so naughty to eat some.

Anyone see the Christophe Gans Beauty And The Beast?

Bad Dads was a planned television series on the Fox Network that would have focused on deadbeat dads.[1] Due to a protest movement started by Glenn Sacks and several masculist groups, including Fathers & Families and the American Coalition for Fathers and Children, Fox shelved the project.[2]

oh the irony that such a cowardly doofus has the last name Sacks

@ RAG, I just think Disney's BATB is really unsettling training in how to rationalize an abusive relationship. But I've gone on about that on this board enough before.

Disney animated features: The rappel à l'ordre (1989-1994)

"I suspect it was made in a hurry to keep away the Christophe Gans version (which looks like he can't stay away from cgi overkill)"

that's already 3 years old though

(haven't seen it)

this is a lame af list. still, "A Bad Moms Christmas" is an amazing title for a film to have.

Akm- I should've remembered that but the way it has been written about it seemed like it was very slowly being released in different places.

UK release was in November.

GITS is going to bomb imo. Some of these are even funny:

http://kotaku.com/twitter-users-troll-the-ghost-in-the-shell-hollywood-mo-1793287657

Also here's a fun fact about The Great Wall:

It joined Terminator Genisys, Warcraft and fellow 2017 film xXx: Return of Xander Cage as the only Hollywood releases to earn $100 million in China without making $100 million in the United States.

I can't find anything on the budget for GITS. It does look like a possible bomb.

I might just rent the anime that weekend. I haven't seen it in a decade at least.

I thought the sequel is better by a long way.

I thought the sequel was one of the worst films I have ever seen.

Really? Joke after the "worst film" thread?

Makes me think about how there used to be more really quiet and long anime like Wings Of Honneamise, Patlabor and Angel's Egg. I usually didn't like it but I don't imagine they make much like that now.

That's interesting. In a sense the market has changed so much from when something like Wings of Honneamise or Mazinger-Z or even Akira would get a really limited art-house/college-town run and gushing reviews from people like Ebert trying to convince a totally skeptical public that animation could be an exciting medium for telling adult stories. There still isn't that much theatrically-released anime over here I guess! But there's a little more in the way of domestic animated films that grown-ups actively choose to go see, and maybe Ghibli stuff sort of blots out other things that might come in from Japan?

At the same time, the TV and video/streaming landscape is WILDLY different than it was twenty years ago - and full of teen/genre anime stuff. But not exactly "quiet and long" material as far as I know.

er lol obviously I mean Roujin-Z above

the timing of this Smurfs film seems a little odd, doesn't it? why wait so long?

Relevant people now blue in the face

it's a reboot, not a sequel... new cast, new introduction from what i can tell. there's a whole new quarter-generation of kids waiting to be bored and disturbed by computer-generated smurfs! so the four-year gap should be compared to the five years between spider-man 3 and the amazing spider-man, say...

though actually really long gaps are surprisingly common even for hit animated movies! there were five years between the second and third kung-fu panda movies, four years wait for the how to train your dragon sequel, and of course, eleven years between toy story 2 and 3 (apparently 4 is coming in 2019 so that's another nine-year gap). i think the thirteen years' wait for the rescuers down under is probably the record-holder though...

Fantasia/Fantasia 2000, if you're counting the latter as a sequel. And then there were all of the shitty direct-to-video Disney sequels which, y'know what, let's just keep forgetting that those exist.

Doctor Casino- A lot of the analysis of how anime was brought over focuses on how much it was aimed at science fiction fans and similar cult audiences.
If there's anything like Akira, Ghost In The Shell 1-2, Patlabor and Wings of Honneamise out today, I doubt it has all that cutting edge animation technique, extensive research and big production.

Apart from Akira and Ghost In The Shell 2 (which was much later or course), I was really disappointed by most of these, the film version of X too. They went way over my young head, there was barely any action and even now I imagine some of them would still be hard to follow. I didn't understand Akira at all but my mind was still blown.
I wouldn't watch Patlabor, Ghost In The Shell or Wings Of Honneamise again but I appreciate what they were doing more now.

Should point out that I like Angel's Egg very much, it's a mood piece, no dialogue.

This trailer is quite funny now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEXh9gPo7MY

If they were smart they would just release a movie called "Moms," or "Dads," then make you show up and watch the whole movie to find out whether they are good or bad.

Oof, yeah, Fantasia 2000. That sorrrrta counts, although it was presented as more of a permutation, following the original (?) idea that the movie would be more of a 'road show' with new segments getting rotated in and out. Since the first film flopped (in part because of the Axis country boycotts I think?) nothing like that ever happened, at least not with classical music behind it.

@ RAG - yeah, I definitely recall *trying to like* some of those films, flattering myself that I was a sophisticated viewer of animation who saw beyond American prejudices, when in fact I was a genre fan and liked best the movies that played to that. Oddly enough it reminds me of this post about Fantasia:

i remember when fantasia was set to be released in the theaters i was all dorked out at 9 years old or w/e like "finally i'll get to see this 'thinking man's' disney masterpiece, for ME, the thinking man", and i ended up being bored as hell.

― brimstead, Monday, January 20, 2014 4:11 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

13 years between Finding Nemo and Dory too. Bit of that is to do with Pixar shying away from the franchise model in their early years. Obviously they're all in now

Casino- I think they were still very much genre films, just hard science fiction, which alienates a lot of people. But even stuff like Ninja Scroll seemed to me like it was holding back on the action.

And the better films created false expectations for what was normal in anime.

I think I was also just put off by a general beigey-browny palette in a lot of the stuff you've mentioned - my gateway stuff was more brightly-colored, like Sailor Moon. This is one reason I think Evangelion clicked with me, too, even as I lost interest a few episodes into beloved (but beigey-browny) shows like Fushigi Yuugi.

I've still never seen Sailor Moon. I think the UK distribution didn't focus on stuff like that until later. I was coming in the angle of Fist Of The North Star, Akira, Devilman, Vampire Hunter D, Street Fighter and Wicked City.

Hahah yeah see those were all out in the US, and took up most of the Blockbuster shelf space granted to anime at all, but the baroque testosterone violence fantasies and the beigeness/scratchy linework put me off of almost all of them. I did go for Battle Angel Alita, probably because of the female protagonist. A different kind of male gaze no doubt helped win me over to the sitcom work like the Rumiko Takahashi sitcoms. But yeah, it was daytime airings of Sailor Moon, which someone clearly thought had the potential to be a hit with tween girls in the US the way it was in Japan, that actually nabbed me and my friends in eighth grade.

(sorry for thread derail y'all!)

Flatliners
It

These two are real?

Flatliners spooked me as a kid, but not sure how it would hold up on rewatch. I still think of this movie when Oliver Platt shows up in something.

I've been hoping for years for a rated-R version of It, but knowing Hollywood this will be PG-13 movie. Excited to find out more on this later.

It would actually be a great fit for the new era of smash hit short-season TV - even if you trim out the considerable fat and the bad kind of WTF from King's book, it's longer than a film, or even the dumb two-parter TV movie it got. Dark Tower also makes much more sense in that format but since the forthcoming film of that is reportedly not exactly an adaptation, who knows.

It's looking rather PG-13.

https://horrorpediadotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/pennywise.jpg

https://lparchive.org/Shining-Force/Update%2011/40-SF1_753.gif

they're claiming the IT movie will be rated-R fwiw

also it's supposed to be in two parts

Ha, one picture still from It has turned me off from even googling it.

http://surbrook.devermore.net/adaptationswesternanimation/incredibles/Syndrome.jpg

clowns that look like actual party-enhancement creeps are way scarier than stupid horror movie demon clowns

It's looking rather PG-13.

https://horrorpediadotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/pennywise.jpg

― jmm, Wednesday, March 15, 2017 4:09 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6wBV4AB7CQ