Trump's America, March 2017: Using His Inside VOICE

how anyone who isn't a complete nihilist would want anything less than for these filthmongers to be penned up like the animals they are
Find better words dude. Half the battle is rhetoric, and "filthmongers" and "the animals they are" are loanwords from crypto-racists and puritans on the right. We can do better.

Also ain't nothing wrong with swingers, but a swinger who throws his lot in with the "family values" crowd (yeah, I know they don't use that term anymore) is a charlatan plain and simple.

I get your general point (my irl verbiage wrt The Enemy is much more selective and less vehement than when I'm spewing vitriol 'round these parts) but I guess I'm unaware of 'filthmonger' as a term in regular use by...anyone?

Stone as swinger only taints those who voluntarily come into sexual contact with him.

Its never what they do in private, but the hypocrisy of working for Bible thumpers. Stone has spent his life infiltrating the McGovern campaign, lobbying for Mobuto Sese Seko & Ferdinand Marcos, coordinating the "Brooks Brothers riot" against the 2000 Florida recount, and likely being a go between for the Trump campaign and Russian hackers. Lots of people despise the guy, and with good reason.

Really, though, and again: what we initially see as hypocrisy or contradiction from these people is just noise disguising their uniform dedication to the perpetuation of rich white American male hegemony. As long as they continue fighting that good fight, they're allowed whatever seemingly-discrepant proclivities they so choose.

^OTM

Sanpaku that "If he wasn't my father, I would spray him with Mace" quote was a Conan joke:

http://www.snopes.com/ivanka-trump-said-if-donald-trump-wasnt-her-father-she-would-mace-him/

Its never what they do in private, but the hypocrisy of working for Bible thumpers. Stone has spent his life infiltrating the McGovern campaign, lobbying for Mobuto Sese Seko & Ferdinand Marcos, coordinating the "Brooks Brothers riot" against the 2000 Florida recount, and likely being a go between for the Trump campaign and Russian hackers. Lots of people despise the guy, and with good reason.

― Sanpaku

Trump supporters don't despise him enough to withhold support of their candidate. Accusing Republicans of hypocrisy never works. They care -- rightly -- about power.

Almost a Tom Swifty, there

"fairness" is an irrelevant, elite preoccupation. it's dog-eat-dog, survival of the fittest, every man for himself out there, just like it says in the four gospels (which stuck up, dirty liberals disdain)

I'm kind of taken aback that America actually has white supremacists in Congress.

https://twitter.com/SteveKingIA/status/840980755236999169?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

My hunch is that Steve King plays peek-a-boo with his white supremacist ideas, and covers his eyes whenever it is inconvenient to see them. Then, if he can't see them, they must not be there.

not a recent development iirc

yeah but that is esp. blatant. fuuuuck this guy and anybody who votes for him.

Hey, let's just give him a chance!

tbf congress has been home to vocal white supremacists for the vast majority of its history

https://vine.co/v/iJbUWJaEmhX

Maybe he's Ted's understudy? Crossed with Heaven's Gate cultist.

xxpost Yeah, I was gonna say. We're just in an era where more of the white supremacists feel comfortable espousing their viewpoints in mixed company. While undeniably horrifying, it's also kinda refreshing to see that villains aren't pretending to be anything else these days.

I dug this of general explanation of GOP epistemological issues:

http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2017/3/10/14871696/scott-pruitt-climate-denial

sign me up! real america can go fly a kite!

https://newrepublic.com/article/140948/bluexit-blue-states-exit-trump-red-america

i like a good sad liberal rant.

i laughed...

"Not even the good people of Canada should have to stomach a mass migration of moping American liberals mumbling, “Live locally … make art.”

cillizza to cnn!

*farts*

Always misread his name as Clitzilla.

We're just in an era where more of the white supremacists feel comfortable espousing their viewpoints in mixed company. While undeniably horrifying, it's also kinda refreshing to see that villains aren't pretending to be anything else these days.

I totally disagree with this actually. Whatever a representative of the US government is willing to stand up and say in public automatically becomes an acceptable way to talk. I don't think it's bad for racists to understand they're supposed to be ashamed of being racists.

I totally agree with your last point, but I don't think your point and mine are mutually exclusive. It'll become more acceptable to people who are already inclined in that direction, but when rhetoric and policies become more overtly racist the opposition becomes more vehement. This shit's always been there, but it's easier to pretend that it isn't when it's couched in euphemism.

My hunch is that Steve King plays peek-a-boo with his white supremacist ideas, and covers his eyes whenever it is inconvenient to see them. Then, if he can't see them, they must not be there.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Sunday, 12 March 2017 19:59 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Convenient to have the 'eyehole malfunction' as a ready excuse you'd imagine

how many fucking times do I have to repeat that "red" states in them Deep South are home to the biggest black population clusters in America and that talk about blue states seceding from them, whether jokey or serious, isn't cute

Yes - it wd make more sense to talk about cities seceding from the states that surround them but there would be a few logistical problems there

the singling out of Mississippi is particularly egregious

much of the black population in the South is rural so fuck the cities seceding thing too

ok man

I agree w you that "secession" talk is 100% stupid

Also the Bluexit plan ends up with a very lopsided military arrangement. The blues get the scariest 1/3 of the nuclear triad but the reds get all the missiles and bombers

Where are y'all hearing this secession talk in the first place?

and it illustrates, for me at least, how 1) urbanization and 2) the internet - among plenty of other phenomena - has made the idea of geography as the primary unit for political mechanisms like benefits, voting, etc feel increasingly antiquated and almost bizarre

xpost

xp Scott Seward's link (which in fairness puts right in the subhead that it's not a serious plan)

and it illustrates, for me at least, how 1) urbanization and 2) the internet - among plenty of other phenomena - has made the idea of geography as the primary unit for political mechanisms like benefits, voting, etc feel increasingly antiquated and almost bizarre

xpost

Everyone OTM is OTM regardless of their zip code

totally!

baker is ranting, sure. but how much of his "proposal" is just acknowledging facts that are already in evidence? i've gone to "good" public schools in both blue states and in red states. they're not equal. what baker is talking about is implementing on a policy level plans my family is right now carrying out on a personal level. i'm moving from indiana to oregon. and yes i'm conflicted about that, from moving to a city where people put "black lives matter" placards in every window while simultaneously pricing black people out of the city, but i can't fucking live here anymore. there's no opportunity here, no hope here, and i can't do anything to help, i won't be able to make this state better, ever.

i'm pretty happy with being in California right now, albeit living in a city that is pricing everyone out except for Hollywood actors. well, even them too. the character actors are going to move to Valencia eventually, I bet.

i was back in my mom's town just outside Chicago for a couple weeks and managed to witness an argument in which a Trump voter pulled a gun on some Berniebros who ran into his mailbox. i want to believe it the mailbox incident was mutually exclusive from the blue/red divide but...well, if the other Trump guy across the street hit his mailbox I don't think he'd have pulled his gun.

I can confirm from personal experience that the quality of public schools varies wildly even within the same state, red or blue.

I am 100% for breaking up the United States into smaller countries. Our experiment has failed. It's not worth continuing this back and forth. At least the northwest should break free. America would be better off splitting into multiple separate countries.

That's symptomatic of the bigger problem rushomancy is characterizing, though.

Making individual investments on our own, we're never sure if a little here and there is enough to change things; easier to save up our little here and there and use it to move to another place where things have already changed.

The way a society can resolve this - taxing your little here and there and spending it responsibly and effectively on improving schools, and maybe even providing good steady jobs - is busted right now, because (too lazy to link to rolling explaining conservatism thread). So you end up moving to Portland, where you contribute, by spending all your saved-up little here and there on property, to gentrification, which may or may not help to resolve the uneven attempt at egalitarianism that created the initial individually insurmountable problem.

I've had a big lunch so I may only sort of be making sense.

living in vermont i've felt no need or desire to get involved in politics because a) at a nat'l level vt is blue as all hell and b) at a local level they are hyper hyper local and as someone passing through it was a little intimidating

now that i'm moving to a less-blue-but-still-blue western state (nm) where the local issues are very intimately enmeshed with nat'l issues (namely: immigration), i'm actually hoping to Get Involved in a more meaningful way

Living in DC any desire to Get Involved is immediately tempered by the realization that you are surrounded, literally, by people doing it professionally at a national and sometimes global level, and also there's no voting legislative representation to fight for or with, so biggest shrug ever - unless you mean to go into the Involved For Six Figures And 70+ Hours/Week subset which I'm not ready to do personally

yeah that makes sense

meanwhile: a friend of mine is a run-of-the-mill immigration lawyer in new mex and, being one of the few ppl that does her job in a sparsely populated state, is completely overwhelmed by ppl treating her like the biggest ever expert --- i get the sense that it's not too difficult to assume a lot of clout just by getting to work in areas without really anyone doing much

if sean spicer would try to be less passive-aggressive defensive i might grow less worried about russia hacking the 2016 US presidential election in favor of his tax-returnless and combover-ed boss