Trump's America, March 2017: Using His Inside VOICE

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the secession thing is another escapist fantasy, like a third party alternative to the Democratic party, that is borne from a feeling of helplessness, defeatism, and an unwillingness to get involved.

xposts

I think, more specifically, the secessionist talk is what's commonly referred to as 'grasping at straws'. It's a thing we should all be perpetually discouraged from doing wrt politics in general and most specifically wrt our current political climate.

it is also borne from being nosefucked nonstopped by the Democrats since they took the Third Way

even ignoring the lol obviously there is no sequence of events that would allow this to happen thing, leaving all the red states to be their own totally insane superpower would be terrible for the world. we need the soothing effect of blue states. a better idea would be conquer canada, which would up the % of liberals in the country.

yeah but how else are libs gonna soak up company time on Facebook?

CBO says 24 million people will lose insurance under Trumpcare.. So ~10% of the population or so?

CBO report estimates 24 million Americans will lose health care in next 10 years under Congress' new bill

https://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/115th-congress-2017-2018/costestimate/americanhealthcareact.pdf

how many will be hurt by terrorist attacks on american soil, though?

Depends, does the new bill count as a terrorist attack?

lol @ cross-post & cbo releasing the report at 4:20 :)

wow I did not think it was going to get savaged this hard

lol

any tax is a terrorist attack iirc

well, if we are all vaporized, insurance will be cheaper for survivors

GOP going all in on "murdering constituents to reduce the deficit" I see

this news won't make the slightest bit of difference.

...unless Dems make GOP legislators pay at townhalls

dunno why I put that in scare quotes

xp

...unless Dems make GOP legislators pay at townhalls

the whole reason Ryan wants this bill passed *before* the next recess is so this doesn't happen.

Holy shit...

leaving all the red states to be their own totally insane superpower

They wouldn't be a superpower, though; they'd be a corrupt, failed (and mostly landlocked) petro-state.

what's the word for someone who would rather cut taxes on rich people than provide health care to poor people?

Republican.

conservative

probably worth noting that all those abandoned red states are where a majority of black Americans live and an enormous percentage of other non-white demographics

the blue state white utopia is probably NAGL to be pushing

not really landlocked, given half the Atlantic coastline and the entirety of the the Gulf and the Mississippi feeding into it

xp yeah, crut made that point upthread but it bears repeating

we worship an awesome god in the blue states, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states

always curious what happens to the nuclear arsenal in these "let's break up the u.s." scenarios.

14 million would lose insurance just next year. This is insane.

there's no way "conservative" math can produce people capable of tending nukes, is there?

and they're not losing insurance -- they're gaining freedom!

Secession is not defeatist. It's irrational to think that this country will ever recover from what Trump has already done. Is it defeatist for Scotland to try to leave the UK? There is no fighting the Trump part of the country. Let them have their racist, tax-free heartland.

Can we please drop this ridiculous topic?

e pluribus unum!

otm secession is a dumb fantasy

probably worth noting that all those abandoned red states are where a majority of black Americans live and an enormous percentage of other non-white demographics

the blue state white utopia is probably NAGL to be pushing

I live in a very blue state and I can go entire days without seeing another white person. Everyplace that ain't Mississippi ain't Vermont, so settle the fuck down.

Separately, more Steve Deace funnies:

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/03/in-search-of-trumps-manly-parts

Balls!

The best response I've heard so far to that stupid Bluexit article was from a certain podcast

Secession is not defeatist. It's irrational to think that this country will ever recover from what Trump has already done. Is it defeatist for Scotland to try to leave the UK? There is no fighting the Trump part of the country. Let them have their racist, tax-free heartland.

― brotherlovesdub, Monday, March 13, 2017 1:40 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you are comparing breaking a country up on ideological lines to leave a disproportionately large chunk of the poor, and ethnic minority population up to the mercies of a sort of neo-confederacy vs. the sovereignty movement of a thousand year old country whose main arguments for separation are to avoid the conservatism, xenophobia and atlanticist isolationism that pervades uk politics

atlanticist isolationism

this is a garbled nightmare of a compound term that makes no sense but what i meant is the idea that britain should turn away from the eu and towards an isolated position where we look to the special relationship and trump as our closest allies

always curious what happens to the nuclear arsenal in these "let's break up the u.s." scenarios.

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, March 13, 2017

let's ask Putin!

e pluribus unum!

― reggie (qualmsley)

e pluribus duo, more like.

i wonder how many of the 14 million people losing health insurance will vote for republicans in the midterms

I don't see much difference in the comparison to Scotland, other than the age of the country. The same reasons you mentioned for Scotland wanting to leave the UK are the same reasons I think the PNW should leave America. Honestly, the Republican voting poor people in the Red States are part of the problem and if they get fucked by their own voting, then I have no sympathy for them. America was pieced together through different treaties and purchases, at different times. There's no reason to think it should stay as one country. There will be no stopping Trump. Rather than spend 4 years fighting him, let's spend our time extracting ourselves from the sinking ship. Plus, if America breaks into many different countries, who will the terrorists hate then? See, it's infallible.

if American breaks into many different countries, who will benefit?

i wonder how many of the 14 million people losing health insurance will vote for republicans in the midterms

i would wager it will be astoundingly close to the same number of that exact 14 mil that voted for Trump. they will be told that their healthcare woes are Obama/Dems/media/immigrants' fault and they will believe it. also, pure uncut white nationalism is much stronger dope than a weak promise that their material conditions *might* improve.

now, it could bring more ppl who stayed home in 2016 which can only be a good thing.

same reasons I think the PNW should leave America

May I refer you to the last time a part of the USA attempted to secede?

the Dems have a golden opportunity with this for the midterms, they just need to rally and--ugh nevermind who am i kidding.

secession is totally stupid.. its not like we dont receive hundreds of billions of money from the feds. CA is a damn juggernaut but if you remove the feds from the picture we're a little fucked.

I live in a red state and 1/3 of my immediate coworkers (those I sit near or meet with regularly) weren't born here!

I'm guilty of using Sioux City as a demographic proxy for rep Steve King's area, but it's 15% hispanic residents

The problem isn't a cultural divide, it's a forced cultural blindness

otm secession is a dumb fantasy

― marcos

not even kevin baker, who's mostly just giving vent to his darker impulses, is actually advocating literal secession. it's about abandoning the ideal, abandoning "e pluribus unum" for "e pluribus plurum" (i can't actually write latin, hopefully you get my point). which many states are already doing by decriminalizing or legalizing marijuana in violation of federal law. maybe we do more of that, if we can't control educational standards in texas maybe we decouple and diminish the influence education in texas has in oregon. "heighten the contrasts" is always bullshit, just as much as "communism in one country" is, but we can't put our values and principles, america's values in principles, in place in, say, mississippi. what's our choice? we watch those values get picked off through attrition entirely, or we... well... circle the wagons.