Trump's America, March 2017: Using His Inside VOICE

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government should be run like a business!

gr8080, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:10 (seven years ago) link

Heer is otm that responsible, well-informed, factual reporting of the Trump camp's supposed ties to Russia are a good and important thing but idk if anyone thinks that is what Gessen, Taibbi, etc are objecting to. I don't know who would object to it other than Trump partisans. The problem has been that so little of the reporting actually meets that mark.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link

Hamilton (Ontario) church volunteers denied entry to U.S. so they wouldn't 'steal American jobs': http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/hamilton-church-volunteers-denied-entry-to-u-s-so-they-wouldn-t-steal-american-jobs-1.4022969

Girl Guides of Canada cancelling trips to the U.S., citing travel concerns: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/girl-guides-of-canada-cancelling-trips-to-the-u-s-citing-travel-concerns-1.4022985

Sooner or later the tourism industry is going to start grousing about the impact of all this shit. Let's see whether avarice or racism is a bigger driver of Trumpism.

Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link

Nice interview with Rick Perlstein about his piece in the Baffler and what happens when you write off people who don't vote for you as "dumb"(and thus how fortunate you don't have to expend effort on persuading):

https://soundcloud.com/user-253233419/experts-baffledepisode-1-professional-snobbery

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link

Sooner or later the tourism industry is going to start grousing about the impact of all this shit. Let's see whether avarice or racism is a bigger driver of Trumpism.

I'm amazed this hasn't happened already.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link

is his name really Jeet Heer? I mean, really?

evol j, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:27 (seven years ago) link

ah nevermind i should have done two seconds of googling first, i thought he was a white dude, nm.

evol j, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:28 (seven years ago) link

when 70% of the eligible population doesn't vote, I have a hard time believing that convincing opposing ideologues is both a moral obligation and a more effective vote-getting strategy than expanding the voting base to include people who don't usually vote. To wit: The GOP spends absolutely zero time appealing to me and my demo's needs or interests. Instead, they focus on shrinking the electorate to secure greater power for their loyal voting base. Being an inclusive coalition rather than an exclusionary cabal, the Dems can't really do this because none of the various minorities that make up the coalition are actually big enough in their own right to pull off such a strategy - but historically when they expand the electorate (whether by expanding the voting franchise - to women, or african americans, or organizing Irish/Italian immigrants, etc. - or having a "cool" candidate that attracts the youth vote like Obama), liberals have benefited and their legislative priorities advanced.

xp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:29 (seven years ago) link

ie, we can probably peel some votes off in the margins ("Independents" lol) but fighting over the same 5% is not a winning strategy. Figuring out how to get more ppl who *do* agree w liberal priorities to actually vote is the better strategy.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:30 (seven years ago) link

Jeet Heer? would be a better name for Doc Casino's boss' burger place than Buns.

You're going to see a lot of love. Okay? Thank you. (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:34 (seven years ago) link

Xps

I'm probably going to a university recruitment conference in LA in June (assuming Immigration let me in) and it's going to be interesting to see how badly institutions think Trump and the perceived increase in physical danger are going to hit the multi-billion Dollar study travel sector. Idk how much Trump cares but the for-profit colleges he is so fond of are going to be hit hard if things do go through the floor.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:34 (seven years ago) link

@SenJohnMcCain
My @washingtonpost op-ed w/ @LindseyGrahamSC today: "Why we need more forces to end the stalemate in #Afghanistan"

@ggreenwald
This war has been raging for 15 1/2 years. The US has escalated multiple times under 2 Presidents. This war-loving duo wants more that.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:37 (seven years ago) link

To wit: The GOP spends absolutely zero time appealing to me and my demo's needs or interests

OTM. Fuck the GOP.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:42 (seven years ago) link

JiC / Οὖτις OTM

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:47 (seven years ago) link

Instead, they focus on shrinking the electorate to secure greater power for their loyal voting base. Being an inclusive coalition rather than an exclusionary cabal, the Dems can't really do this because none of the various minorities that make up the coalition are actually big enough in their own right to pull off such a strategy - but historically when they expand the electorate (whether by expanding the voting franchise - to women, or african americans, or organizing Irish/Italian immigrants, etc. - or having a "cool" candidate that attracts the youth vote like Obama), liberals have benefited and their legislative priorities advanced.

otm

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link

what i still can't get over is how weird it was that james comey made so much noise about hillary nine days before the election, even while michael flynn was a paid turkish lobbyist and roger stone was tweeting guccifer, among 911 other impossible to imagine even five years ago shenanigans that were going down

yea as strange as this was at the time it's like five times stranger now

frogbs, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link

conservatives vs rappers, a tale as old as time

not even my mate ross king sniffed out this hot gossip (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link

i thought he had some biggie in his spotify playlists tho

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link

lol

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link

Rubio has a core of a point here but in order for it to make sense, the video would need to have had an actual person standing in for Trump who actually got shot. As it stands, Snoop is encouraging people to shoot toy guns at effigies, which on balance is exactly what you want IF that type of thing has to exist.

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link

Rubi Smalls

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link

hey listen he calls him "Snoop," not "Mr. Broadus."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:55 (seven years ago) link

He's struggled to address a broad us audience historically tbf

brat_stuntin (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:56 (seven years ago) link

steve king, again

Rep. Steve King (R-IA), of newfound "somebody else's babies" infamy, said on Monday that black and Hispanic populations "will be fighting each other" before outnumbering the population of white people in the United States.

"They're dividing people, they're pitting people against each other," King said on WHO radio's "The Jan Mickelson Show" in Des Moines.

King referred to Univision anchor Jorge Ramos' remark on Fox News that "the white population will become a minority." Ramos used the point to argue that the United States is a multiracial country.

"Jorge Ramos' stock in trade is identifying and trying to drive wedges between race," King said. "Race and ethnicity, I should say, to be more correct."

He said that "accentuating the differences" will result in "people that are at each other's throats."

"And he's adding up Hispanics and blacks into what he predicts will be in greater number than whites in America," King said. "I will predict that Hispanics and the blacks will be fighting each other before that happens."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/steve-king-hispanic-black-people-turn-on-each-other-before-outnumbering-whites

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:07 (seven years ago) link

truly an enlightened soul

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:08 (seven years ago) link

Burrito stall

brat_stuntin (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:09 (seven years ago) link

King's district in Iowa is 95% white, lol?

SFTGFOP (El Tomboto), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:14 (seven years ago) link

fabulous quote:

"It pisses me off, but my wife pisses me off, too, and we’re still married,” said Dan Peuschold, 62, as he shared a $13 pitcher of beer with friends Saturday afternoon at the Hiawatha Bar & Grill in the Wisconsin village of Sturtevant.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:19 (seven years ago) link

Other Trump voters in Racine County say they don’t like that the wealthy may be first to secure a tax cut, but they’re giving the new president the benefit of the doubt that they’ll eventually see lower taxes, too.

“You would think they would be more for the lower-income people,” said David Fiskum, 62, a retired small business owner dining at a hamburger restaurant in the city of Racine. “I wish they had a better bill than what they’ve proposed.”

why would you think this

Rachel Luther Queen (DJP), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:22 (seven years ago) link

because you are a gullible moron

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:24 (seven years ago) link

As if on cue:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/steve-bannon-and-the-making-of-an-economic-nationalist-1489516113

The introductory story's been told before but I still can't get over Bannon thinking "There was an injustice and the rich people got away with things in 2008! So I'll repeat that in 2017."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:27 (seven years ago) link

the free market shall save us from the free market

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:33 (seven years ago) link

so is barron behind the breitbart assaults on trumpcare or has breitbart turned on its former boss?

mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:35 (seven years ago) link

yeah there's a hole in bannon's worldview a mile wide. the gop isnt going to give you your precious nazi style public work program for the common man. they dont give a fuck. sorry dude.

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:35 (seven years ago) link

the rift between breitbort and the GOP over Trumpcare is kind of hilarious

frogbs, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:36 (seven years ago) link

Bannon's not in charge of Beetbort anymore

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:38 (seven years ago) link

dunno why anyone's surprised that groups whose sole reason for existence is opposition (Freedom Caucus, Beetbort etc.) are reverting to form

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:39 (seven years ago) link

we should probably start taking bets on when the fringe right turns against Trump as an apostate against true conservatism. Maybe a full year?

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:40 (seven years ago) link

Depending on which fringe you're talking about, they've been turning on him all along.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:41 (seven years ago) link

well I don't consider the NRO fringe really

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:42 (seven years ago) link

If last year demonstrated anything, it's how little following the NRO etc really had.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link

but I get what you mean, it's a "big tent" lol

xp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:43 (seven years ago) link

latest approval figures are encouraging fwiw

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link

I guess I'm thinking about the fringe rightists who were hardcore Trumpists/his most ardent advocates - Beetbort, Alex Jones, various hate groups, those kind of people.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link

link? xp

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:44 (seven years ago) link

so is barron behind the breitbart assaults on trumpcare or has breitbart turned on its former boss?

I know this was a typo, but Breitbart's politics are dumb enough that yeah, I could imagine a 10-year-old being in charge.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:46 (seven years ago) link

gt: https://t.co/7YhAjGGcZU

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:46 (seven years ago) link

If you imagine it is Barron in control of the government right now, everything makes more sense.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 19:48 (seven years ago) link


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