Trump's America, March 2017: Using His Inside VOICE

I don't really get this, is there a scenario where there's a vote and it loses? Or are the two pathways "it passes" and "no vote"?

the latter, basically; they won't bring it to the floor if they don't think they have the votes

Correct. That is the absolutely last thing Ryan et al want, so either postponing the vote or just punting entirely makes more sense.

It's worth noting that a lot of muttering-turned-shouting over the past couple of weeks from right-leaning types, up to/including reps and senators, has been "Why are RUSHING this bill?" Typical current argument:

https://reason.com/blog/2017/03/23/the-gop-health-care-plan-debacle-proves

And again, the answer to the question is obvious, to score theoretically easy political points, and now that's clearly not possible.

How many of these chucklefucks are going to whine and cry about not getting the deference they deserve from their inferiors at Town Halls, then use that as a reason why they're not holding them?

They already are doing that!

One reason Bannon would want Ryan down is because he's ostensibly the head of the GOP.. without him its basically Trump and lol McConnell as the last men standing.

But I never got the impression that taking over the GOP was one of Bannons goals.. maybe Im refuting my own post.

yeah if this doesn't get through before the spring recess they are gonna get *hammered* in public. (They'd get hammered anyway, but passage of the bill will basically be impossible afterwards)

Why?

the preposterous "most productive president ever" lie becomes more transparent if they don't get this through

They already are doing that

Oh I know, I'm curious how the numbers change this time round

Why?

majorities are against this bill and activists are operating at a fever pitch, when they go home to town halls and get an earful, they aren't going to return to Washington eager to pass repeal, esp not this shitty bill. And if the GOP caucus goes "back to the drawing board" it will take them *forever* and derail other legislative priorities. Ryan's gamble that this is their only chance to get this done is correct. It can't wait til 2018 session, because ppl will be freaking out about losing their seats. It's now or never.

@SenPatRoberts
I deeply regret my comments on a very important topic. Mammograms are essential to women's health & I never intended to indicate otherwise.

it's pat

lol

Why?

Because the health care bill is less popular than the president.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/687352/trumps-healthcare-bill-already-worse-net-approval-rating-than-obamas

Pat Roberts should have his head microwaved

And these things only plummet further in popularity the more the bill makes it way through modifications and on to the Senate because 'compromises where nobody is happy' get made and the hard core supporters get pissed

but I dont think this bill has any actual hard core supporters other than ryan and trump

I doubt Trump supports it. He just wants to look like he's presidentin'.

well yeah the only reason he supports it is so he can be seen DOING THINGS VERY QUICKLY LIKE HE PROMISED

Ryan is it's only hardcore supporter, Trump doesn't gaf what's in the bill

I wonder if anyone's asked Nunes about it.

"Oh I hate it. Garbage. Ryan sucks. What?"

If you could believe these people are bright enough to be playing 5D chess I could see a scenario where Ryan is trying to get into a 'don't throw me into the briar patch & force a vote' thing with DT and have it blow up in DTs face but, again, you have to believe these people are bright enough...

i really wish people would call it Trumpcare more. i want his name all over it.

i'd love for someone to ask trump an even moderately specific question about this legislation (not the process, which he understands to be deal-making, but the actual differences between this and the ACA) during a tv interview

Well as we all know Obamacare is a disaster. Premiums are rising, 30, 40, even 120% in some cases, it's unbelievable. They don't know how to negotiate. It's such a disaster, nobody's even seen anything like it. So what we've done here is, we've created great healthcare. You're going to be very happy with it.

exactly

I did hear him say that there would be "plans no one's even thought of yet" a few weeks ago, so more of that probably. xxp

http://i.imgur.com/wfyOmGB.png

should crosspost in this is where we commend whoever edits football pictures for the guardian

Other funnies:

https://twitter.com/MattNegrin/status/844977519153598466

Sean Spicer has demoted Paul Manafort from "campaign chairman" to "very limited role" to "staffer" and today to "gentleman"

https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/844974155460202496

Asked if there's a Plan B if the AHCA doesn't pass tonight, @PressSec Spicer says, "No, it's going to pass. That's it."

Oh gentle soul.

"oh yeah i remember Paul was they guy we sent out for coffee but he never came back"

soon he'll be a disgruntled intern

Also remember in all of this that Ryan is a maniac who fundamentally believes that the country will rally around a bill which cuts government assistance to the one, if only they get the chance.

which one? Obama?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/07/d8/20/07d8205279f013955ecda6f9da693af3.jpg

Trump voter own-goals reach their acme: http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/indiana-restaurant-owner-deported-friday-116463/

Roberto decided not to self deport because Helen was pregnant at the time. An ICE spokesperson says when Roberto failed to deport himself, his voluntary order revered to a final order of removal, meaning ICE could detain him. They didn’t act on that order for more than a decade.

. . . During an interview earlier this month, Helen said she voted for President Donald Trump because she supports his immigration policies. She said criminals should be deported, but she didn’t think her husband would face that fate.

“[Trump] did say the good people would not be deported, the good people would be checked,” Helen said.

"So...marriage counseling?"

Anyway, guy's right:

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/844977905335644160

It isn't easy to come up with a bill that's disliked so much both by policy experts AND by the general public. It's sort of amazing.

Re that Indiana story, worth going back to the original interview with her:

http://indianapublicmedia.org/news/family-speaks-indiana-restaurant-owner-detained-ice-115685/

Helen says she agrees with the President’s stance on the issue.

“We don’t want to have cartels here, you don’t want to have drugs in your high schools, you don’t want killers next to you,” Helen says. “You want to feel safe when you leave your house. I truly believe that. And, this is why I voted for Mr. Trump.”

But Helen doesn’t understand why her husband is among those being detained. She says he’s an upstanding business owner who’s in the process of applying for a green card – not a criminal.

Kiiiiinda hoping maybe the penny's dropped with her by now. But you have to wonder.

"Well I think that if you’re an older man, you can generally say you’re not going to need maternity care."

This sentence was just spoken out loud on television by the press secretary to a 70-year-old-man who has a 46-year-old wife and 11-year-old son.

Separately -- everyone's favorite vaping dude!

https://twitter.com/JesseRodriguez/status/844962104914403328

POLITICO: Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) under criminal investigation by Justice Department over alleged campaign finance violations

stupid is as stupid does

xp

everyone's favorite vaping dude!

c'mon that's Grover Norquist

we need a tweet from grover about how this is an example of the continuing war on vaping

I'm sure we'll get it.

Oh Sean.

https://twitter.com/jackholmes0/status/844981774522466308

Sean Spicer just compared Roger Stone to someone Trump sat next to on an airplane one time. Here's how Stone sees it in his book

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7n6W6wXwAAskWv.jpg:large

http://theslot.jezebel.com/we-redacted-everything-thats-not-a-verifiably-true-stat-1793571837

i just wish all these poor people bitching about losing their health insurance would understand how painful it is to write huge checks to the IRS year after year. where's the compassion?