Trump's America, March 2017: Using His Inside VOICE

Frederik, the latest version of this bill demanded the rescinding of covering people with pre-existing conditions and kicking off people under 26 from their parents' insurance. Single payer is Communism.

Sure. But the right wing media world is so crazy now, that everything is communism anyway. Which paradoxically means that the Dems could just go ahead and do what they want to do despite public opinion. They have nothing to lose.

I mean, this could only happen if the Dems gets a senate majority that's at least 50+Manchin.

https://twitter.com/ericgarland/status/845048554368458752

game theory guy sad rant lol

Fox News has been wholly American owned since 2004, and Murdoch himself has been an American citizen since 1985

^agree. FOX, talk et al are going to say it's the End of the World no matter what dems do so fuck it

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the hitch of course will be all the dems who don't *actually* want single payer because of their donors and the specter of higher taxes on rich obv but also the upper middle class

*their big pharma and health insurance donors

Dem Senate majority would have to be 60 Frederik, just like Obama briefly had

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No, not to do budget reconciliation.

cant pass single payer in a budget reconciliation bill

Why not? You can only do budget reconciliation on things that has to do with the budget, so changing every part into 'the government pays through higher taxes' is a much easier fix.

I could well be wrong about this, though. But check it out. It's 3 AM in Denmark, so I'm done writing for the night, so I'll sign off now.

What if they called single payer health care the Make America Great Act? And characterized their GOP opponents as fat cats beholden to special interests not looking out for the common man?

Wow, knives came out even earlier than I expected:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/23/us/politics/trump-health-care-bill-regrets.html

Mr. Trump has told four people close to him that he regrets going along with Speaker Paul D. Ryan’s plan to push a health care overhaul before unveiling a tax cut proposal more politically palatable to Republicans.

He said ruefully this week that he should have done tax reform first when it became clear that the quick-hit health care victory he had hoped for was not going to materialize on Thursday, the seventh anniversary of the act’s passage.

Two of his most influential advisers — Stephen K. Bannon, his chief strategist, and Gary D. Cohn, the National Economic Council director, who initially was in favor of pushing the bill — came to agree, and did not like the compromise that was emerging.

So I guess he's pushing health care under the bus. He wants it gone. But of course, the damage is done.

With the possible exception of Andrew Johnson, I can't think of the last time in American history the president's own party realized it was dealing with an imbecile so early in his term.

They wanted a useful idiot, they got a useless idiot.

Lol he can't even make close private statements without them being leaked

Uh, he obviously wanted that to leak.

exactly

he's the deal maker! The deal's off! Let's buy a truck!

America is teh upside down

And they're off:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7oerPBXwAMvt37.jpg

truck moment seems very poignant, i think that image will be around for a long time even after the memes are churned out

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/845099463148474368

I just spat my beer out laughing

And Road House reference for the win.

marcos otm

re:budget reconciliation, i think any health care law would also have to pass the byrd rule, which would be hard for single payer to do as it would almost certainly come with long-term deficit increases. I am no legislative expert, so I may be wrong.

Aimless and will otm re how challenging single payer would be to pass, it's weird to talk about it like a foregone conclusion without acknowledging the gigantic amount of work and advocacy that needs to be done for it to pass. Like will said, it's big pharma and insurance, but it's also groups that are seen as less villainous, like doctor's groups and hospital associations.

Worth noting re Byrd rule that Cornyn just got even more direct about it on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/JohnCornyn/status/845083280877785088

FYI: The "Byrd Rule" is actually a law

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/2/644

Sean Hannity is sad!

https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/845094446928683009

dying @ that NYP cover

Christ Hannity agef 20 yrs overnight

Aged

I still don't really get how this is going to work. They're going to take out the essential benefits so the far-right people will vote for it, but they'll get the moderates to vote for it by promising, don't worry, the Senate is going to put the essential benefits back in, and the far-right people are... not going to hear about this promise?

yeah but magic!!

Let me remind you about ... "phase 2"

And the mystical "phase 3"

It isnt going to work

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Some more no votes coming out. Things'll be in flux still.

RE healthcare I dont understand why y'all arent overturning cars on fire in the street, this system is beyond belief. I mean it literally isnt understandable to me.

Too busy shooting each other

we are quite literally one of the dumbest countries on the planet

we are cowards. we are conditioned to worship bullies from a young age, and attack anyone who speaks out against that

some tweets from Ben Wikler of Move On tonight that gave me anxiety:

Friends, let me puncture your premature triumphalism. Here's how the GOP wins against the Affordable Care Act. 1/

First, the Freedom Caucus folds. Possibly underway already. Bill passes House. https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/845102655261331457 2/

Next, it gets to Senate, and McConnell immediately replaces it with a totally different bill that he's been quietly crafting for weeks. 3/

What I'm hearing is, doesn't matter what the House passes—the Senate will never consider the House bill. It'll consider its own version. 4/

Once a bill squeaks through the Senate, it goes back to the House—straight to a vote, no amendments. Freedom Caucus folds again. 5/

That's not only a plausible path to victory, it's (I hear) the game plan. It's what comes next if the AHCA passes the House tomorrow. 6/

None of this is guaranteed, of course. But it's why the House bill moving right doesn't kill its prospects in the Senate. 7/

The ONLY thing that matters tomorrow is whether *something* passes the House. No matter how misbegotten. If it passes, TrumpCare lives. 8/

That's why the stakes are so high. Don't bet against desperate people who'll do anything to win. Don't bet—fight. It's all on the line. 9/9

Aimless and will otm re how challenging single payer would be to pass, it's weird to talk about it like a foregone conclusion without acknowledging the gigantic amount of work and advocacy that needs to be done for it to pass

I think part of doing the work is making it seem like a foregone conclusion. Make it the party platform, make it popular, make it obvious.

my pack of 250 Medicare for All stickers is coming in the mail tomorrow, gonna start sticking 'em places

ideas that are laying around, etc.

That sounds nuts to me but he's right about not being complacent (never a winning strategy)

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Don't bet—fight.

Good plan. If this passes we should all make ourselves sick on purpose and blow up the system, man.

I'm suspicious of that "McConnell has a different bill all ready to go" part

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I guess looking at it again the scenario doesn't seem that likely. I'm just hoping this thing doesn't pass tomorrow