Trump's America, March 2017: Using His Inside VOICE

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Of course they could close ranks! But I still think that when you have the head of the appropriations committee saying 'yeah, no' without apparent fear of any repercussions, that's a tell.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link

We need a countdown-to-the-vote clock.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:24 (seven years ago) link

Post still showing 33 committed "no" votes plus a dozen or so "leaning no" votes. idk how much arm-twisting Ryan can really pull off here.

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:26 (seven years ago) link

xpost -- Six hours out, I think.

Anyway, one of three things will happen:

* Vote as announced, whatever the result
* Bill is pulled
* Vote postponed to next week

Personally I could see any one of these happening, though the first is pretty much the most likely result.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:26 (seven years ago) link

Alcee Hastings!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link

What a fun meeting this will be!

https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/845308098768240640

BREAKING: Paul Ryan is coming to White House to brief the president on latest health care bill, I'm told.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link

6 hours?! I thought they said "Friday morning"

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link

Nancy Pelosi‏Verified account @NancyPelosi 40m40 minutes ago

Every single Republican who votes for #TrumpCare will have this moral monstrosity tattooed to their foreheads forever. Every. Single. One.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link

xpost Hm, got my time zones confused a bit -- probably more like three hours.

Building on that tweet I shared:

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/845308269472219136

This is a big development. the whip count is not looking good, per several ppl involved

That's probably a vast understatement.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:30 (seven years ago) link

xpost -- Moral Montrosity will be playing at the Elbo Room in a couple of weeks, I'm sure.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:31 (seven years ago) link

https://twitter.com/TimAlberta/status/845311572264275969

Source just now: They might pull the bill altogether.

They're getting farther from, not closer to, 215.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:31 (seven years ago) link

Oh the roffles

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link

Every single Republican who votes for #TrumpCare will have this moral monstrosity tattooed to their foreheads forever. Every. Single. One.

lol shoulda gone w "carved" imo

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link

Sam Stein‏Verified account @samsteinhp 16h16 hours ago

We don’t have legislative language for you

We don’t have a CBO score for you

This thing polls at 17%

The Senate won’t pass it

Vote yes

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link

"maybe we should vote now so we don't lose anybody else"

i am also Tombot (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:33 (seven years ago) link

Earlier today, GOP House Intel chair Rep. Devin Nunes went around members (again) and arbitrarily announced that the March 28 open hearing was canceled.

A House Intel source says this move was a "suicide bomb" designed to destroy the Russia investigation.

Democrats on the Intel committee are meeting now to discuss how to handle the situation.

i am also Tombot (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link

Really, pulling the bill is the only fig leaf that theoretically covers everybody. It allows for a cruddy "This really needs more time, we understand voters would like to know more," etc etc language that will be laughed at, but nobody has to make a specific statement via a vote either way. Obviously it makes Ryan and Trump both look weak and ridiculous but they'll punt away happily, while McConnell's probably thinking "Well thank god."

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:34 (seven years ago) link

yeah but freedom

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link

Who knew!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link

So as this tweet sums it up:

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/845310482181435392

A possibility: What if Ryan tells Trump he needs to pull the bill, and Trump tells him he wants the floor vote?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:36 (seven years ago) link

re: Nunes, is it actually believed that the news about there being possible circumstantial evidence of collusion came from the FBI in response to Nunes' bitch move? Cos if so, won't they keep doing things like that if Nunes keeps obviously obstructing?

i am also Tombot (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:36 (seven years ago) link

Trump's gonna drive into the House honking the horn

i am also Tombot (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:36 (seven years ago) link

at this point for my mental health i'm assuming that it passes today, i don't think i can feel optimistic about anything political these days

jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:37 (seven years ago) link

Hahah oh man

https://twitter.com/MajorCBS/status/845310870607548418

Mulvaney to @SpeakerRyan when informed he didn't have votes for #Obamacarerepeal -- "The president doesn't care. The president wants a vote"

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link

don't worry, the heritage foundation's josh lyman reincarnated is here to shepherd this thing over the line https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/845310830489063424

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link

A possibility: What if Ryan tells Trump he needs to pull the bill, and Trump tells him he wants the floor vote?

isn't this what happened yesterday?

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:38 (seven years ago) link

Postpone vs. pull.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:39 (seven years ago) link

he wants it one way but it's the other way, again

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:39 (seven years ago) link

"by Executive Order, Affordable Care Act is now rebranded Trumpcare. You're welcome"

i am also Tombot (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:40 (seven years ago) link

I mean he might as well.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link

Obviously it makes Ryan and Trump both look weak and ridiculous

Well, to US. But we were already there. Trumpoids have already decided to spin this as yet another tale of his awesome strength and wisdom, betrayed at the last minute by establishment weaklings and cowards. His only error was trusting that these professionals knew what they were doing. Ah, well, another example of career politicians being unable to live up to the example of His Donaldness.

Or, what Lord Alfred said.

takin care of bismuth (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:42 (seven years ago) link

Trump's approval at -12 this morning. on Rasmussen

i am also Tombot (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link

strongly approve down to 29%

i am also Tombot (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link

Trump's presidency is basically a limbo contest at this point

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:47 (seven years ago) link

Well, to US. But we were already there. Trumpoids have already decided to spin this as yet another tale of his awesome strength and wisdom, betrayed at the last minute by establishment weaklings and cowards. His only error was trusting that these professionals knew what they were doing. Ah, well, another example of career politicians being unable to live up to the example of His Donaldness.

Or, what Lord Alfred said.

Certainly, and we can't handwave that. And yet: W was down to a 27% that still approved of him at the end of his second term, but that didn't budge. Point is, though, that it was 27% -- Trump's equivalent may be louder, but, as Neanderthal just noted, seems like he hits the same numbers when crunch time arrives.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link

How are his Russian numbers?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link

Trumpoids have already decided to spin this as yet another tale of his awesome strength and wisdom, betrayed at the last minute by establishment weaklings and cowards. His only error was trusting that these professionals knew what they were doing. Ah, well, another example of career politicians being unable to live up to the example of His Donaldness.

This is because, as the fence-sitting moderate 'hold yr nose and vote' supporters drift away from the increasingly-obvious insanity, all that's left is the Cult of Trump, who venerate everything that the Great Leader says and does.

Ambling Shambling Man (Old Lunch), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link

xpost -- Bigly.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link

This is all Trump trying to figure out who's willing to follow him off a cliff, isn't it

frogbs, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:53 (seven years ago) link

Everyone's fave oppo drop guy Rick Wilson had a tweetstorm just now that, some language aside, probably sums things up:

https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/845313114618957824

A key bit:

House Republicans who privately loathe him (and there are a LOT) play the DC game of "My good friend Donald!" and know how to fluff him....They're exhausted and nervous after only a few weeks, and the sense we're moving from FOMT to FHMT is growing. (FOMT: Fear of Mean Tweets/FHMT: Fuck His Mean Tweets)

Which is inline with the Freedom Caucus's reported response to Trump's troll this morning. If they're shrugging and laughing it off, then all of a sudden his supposed powerful vaunted leverage via Twitter is so much gas.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:55 (seven years ago) link

all that's left is the Cult of Trump, who venerate everything that the Great Leader says and does

one of the top posts at the_d is this

http://i.imgur.com/aTWGjem.jpg

we're all clowning him for this and they fucking love it

jason waterfalls (gbx), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:55 (seven years ago) link

You know what's Hilarious Thing #2353? Joe Scarborough and co. lamented Trump's decision to hit health care first when he could've gone for something "easy" like "tax reform" yet Scar doesn't acknowledge that Trumpcare is tax reform for the rich.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:56 (seven years ago) link

Fun fun:

https://twitter.com/mj_lee/status/845315058414563328

Wow. @DanaBashCNN reporting Ryan is going to show Trump the votes and tell him they don't have them. He'll ask what Trump wants to do now

First tweet in response:

https://twitter.com/BrianAbrams/status/845315715670396929

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7sqKMIXwAQXFS1.jpg

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 16:59 (seven years ago) link

This is all Trump trying to figure out who's willing to follow him off a cliff, isn't it

once he identifies the truly-loyal, the purges can begin

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 24 March 2017 16:59 (seven years ago) link

xpost I'm sure Trump will argue that the smaller number of votes is actually the larger one

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Friday, 24 March 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link

And meanwhile:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/03/24/bannon-tells-trump-keep-a-shit-list-of-republicans-who-opposed-you.html

“(Bannon) has told the president to keep a shit list on this,” one official told The Daily Beast. "He wants a running tally of (the Republicans) who want to sink this…Not sure if I'd call it an 'enemies list,' per se, but I wouldn't want to be on it."

One aide described it as a proposed “hit list” for Republicans not sufficiently loyal. Courses of action stemming from any related tally is yet to be determined, but the idea and message is that “we’ll remember you.”...

Sources also said that others including Mick Mulvaney, Trump's director of the Office of Management and Budget and co-founder of the House Freedom Caucus, endorsed the idea of the running list, and that Trump agreed with the idea.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 17:00 (seven years ago) link

(Which sounds more like, again, posturing than anything else.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link

I approve of them all stabbing each other in the back, this is really best-case scenario for the GOP from my POV

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 March 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link

Also surfacing:

https://twitter.com/kelsey_snell/status/845307241968386048

CBO told Senate they can't vote on repeal w/out a score, that could take a week or more. That would push a vote to may, after Easter recess.

Whoops!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 March 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link

It totally hamstrings Ryan in the House - if they have all out internecine warfare, he won't be able to pass anything w out going to the Dems for votes.

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 24 March 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link


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