Trump's America, March 2017: Using His Inside VOICE

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Meanwhile this is all amusing:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/28/us/politics/health-care-obamacare-freedom-caucus.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=1&mtrref=t.co

House Republican leaders and the White House, under extreme pressure from conservative activists, have restarted negotiations on legislation to repeal the Affordable Care Act, with House leaders declaring that Democrats were celebrating the law’s survival prematurely.

Just days after President Trump said he was moving on to other issues, senior White House officials are now saying they have hope that they can still score the kind of big legislative victory that has so far eluded Mr. Trump. Vice President Mike Pence was dispatched to Capitol Hill on Tuesday for lunchtime talks.

“We’re not going to retrench into our corners or put up dividing lines,” House Speaker Paul D. Ryan said after a meeting of House Republicans that was dominated by a discussion of how to restart the health negotiations. “There’s too much at stake to get bogged down in all of that.”

This all feels very Groundhog Day.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:43 (seven years ago) link

GOP:Health Care Solution::OJ:"catching the real killer"

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:45 (seven years ago) link

Ryan seriously believes he can lead the Republicans in the House to a health care debacle solution.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:48 (seven years ago) link

Ryan seriously believes he can lead the Republicans in the House to a health care debacle solution.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:52 (seven years ago) link

Ryan Seriously, the actual sequel to Love Actually

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:53 (seven years ago) link

hasn't gerrymandering backfired a little bit on a national scale for the GOP by enabling these hard-line ideologues accountable to nobody to sink legislation

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:54 (seven years ago) link

Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of etc.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:55 (seven years ago) link

you're not the first to suggest that

xp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:56 (seven years ago) link

Anyway the article indicates they're trying to get all the groups who were originally fighting each other in the caucus to start talking again, presumably on the same points, leading to the same fights.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:56 (seven years ago) link

Which given it'll be even MORE driven by optics now -- 'we gotta win/do SOMETHING' -- will be even more ridiculous.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:57 (seven years ago) link

same with citizen's united keeping all these unviable candidates in the primary race way too long and letting trump soak up the remaining plurality and grabbing the nomination. it's almost as if these schemes... aren't thought out super well/have many unintended consequences

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 16:58 (seven years ago) link

they're trying to get all the groups who were originally fighting each other in the caucus to start talking again, presumably on the same points, leading to the same fights.

Isn't that sorta how the Reagan Revolution declared that government isn't the solution, but rather the problem, and its signature achievement in reducing government was... eliminating the Civil Aeronautics Board.

I'm looking forward to the next landmark Republican health care bill, which slightly tweaks reimbursements for three orthopedic procedures, because that was all everyone could agree on.

takin care of bismuth (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link

the bill will be whittled down to

"We hereby proclaim everybody can buy health care
You are no longer required to. ergo, your premiums will now start at $900/month for individual coverage.
Also don't I have a nice butt?"

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:13 (seven years ago) link

will lobotomies be covered?

Evan, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:15 (seven years ago) link

They can't be because Ryan is still speaker

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link

most of the GOP already hit their lifetime maximum for that procedure iirc

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link

what about the guys they lobotomized? will they get a refund?

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link

ok so in all seriousness now...

how are they possibly going to get the Freedom Caucus and the moderates to agree. Freedom Caucus basically wants things restored to how they were pre-ACA (which would death spiral the industry) and the moderates will never go for. Moderates actually want coverage that is affordable to their constituents and doesn't cause millions of them to lose coverage and somehow magically haven't figured out that the number of non-sick people enrolled is directly correlated to premiums.

Feel like a lot of 'gift baskets' will be going out behind hte scenes. everybody make sure to see what kinda car Charlie Dent is driving today vs in three weeks.

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link

did the last bill have 51 senate votes? will anything the freedom caucus agrees to have 51 senate votes?

art, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:23 (seven years ago) link

clearly they will work with democrats do u see. these moderate dems want to be able to work with the most unpopular president in american history whose only achievements of note have been pissing and shitting all over everything dems believe in.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:24 (seven years ago) link

did the last bill have 51 senate votes?

ACA had to get 60 votes to pass, thx to GOP filibuster.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:26 (seven years ago) link

John Gonzalez‏ Verified account
@ABC7John

White House has announced due to scheduling conflict, President Donald Trump will not be throwing out 1st pitch at Nats opener on Monday.

Check the tweet for First Response HOF: https://twitter.com/ABC7John/status/846757360702013442

Lauren Schumer Donor (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:38 (seven years ago) link

Haha

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:39 (seven years ago) link

the "scheduling conflict" is presumably he doesn't want to get stuff thrown at him

softie (silby), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:41 (seven years ago) link

The widespread pissing on Trump re: Nats opener is making my day.

Hi, this is the city you tell people you hate, hatin you back, thxbye.

takin care of bismuth (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:42 (seven years ago) link

Trump coulda been the first person to get ejected from a baseball game while throwing out an honorary pitch

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:43 (seven years ago) link

meanwhile Kansas is getting Medicaid dough!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:48 (seven years ago) link

I think he is going to sponsor a plan for single payer. It's his best move to cause more chaos and position himself, again, as a champion of the people vs the establishment.

Treeship, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:51 (seven years ago) link

if he does, he loses every Republican in the House and Senate and he'll be Poppy Bush

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link

If he was smart that's what he'd do. Republicans -- and centrist dems -- would defeat it, but at enormous political cost to themselves. If he was actively pursuing populist positions it would be much harder for left wing critics to paint him as a "fake" champion of the working class. By adopting a position that should have been theirs he'd sxramble Washington even more, and this time not at his own expense. He's got nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Treeship, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link

https://twitter.com/barrysvrluga/status/846757008195960834

Barry Svrluga‏ @barrysvrluga

Nats say the White House has declined invitation for President Trump to throw out ceremonial first pitch Opening Day.

9:12 AM · Mar 28, 2017

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International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link

gtfo trump is not going to support single payer

marcos, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link

Oops, didn't see the post upthread

International House of Hot Takes (kingfish), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link

If he was smart that's what he'd do.

glad we're using our imaginations

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link

How Trump likely thinks of it:

"You're all paying me for your healthcare? I'm the single one you pay? Great! I'll take your money!"

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 17:59 (seven years ago) link

That would be his best move. If he tried to appease the Republicans and their unpopular policy priorities, he'll just sink with Paul Ryan. He won on a message of protectionism, isolationism, and "America First," single payer fits into that

Treeship, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link

Treeship, of all the speculation you've posted on these threads, Trump supporting single payer is the nuttiest. Congratulations.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:03 (seven years ago) link

It's nutty but a whole lot of RW movement conservative etc. types on Twitter keep talking about Trump going that route as part of their grim predictions that everyone in the GOP is ultimately a sellout, nobody can be trusted, etc. It's part gallows humor, part suspicion.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:04 (seven years ago) link

I feel I've aggressively taken down this idea before but no, Trump is not going to back single payer, come on. The idea of him backing *any* plan that boils down to raising his own taxes is laughable, regardless of whatever fantasy political game-change you want to write into it.

tales of a scorched-earth nothing (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:05 (seven years ago) link

He'd put the congressional Republicans he hates in the position of explaining to their voters why they're not backing him. He'd be able to say he tried to replace Obamacare with "something incredible" and be telling the truth, bolstering his outsider cred which bouyed him to the presidency. Plus it would never pass so his taxes wouldn't be raised.

Treeship, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link

If I were Trump I would do that and I would get a better hairstylist and wardrobe.

Treeship, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link

there's definitely an argument to be made that it would be a savvy move but I can't see the Zero-Dimensional Chess Master going for that

frogbs, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link

I could only see him supporting single payer because the name sounds simple, like the flat tax

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:14 (seven years ago) link

Bannon might. He wants the Republicans to be a nationalist party and he despises Paul Ryan et al. Pushing domestic policies with wide support among the population could give them the political capital to pursue the fucked up, racist policies they also like to talk about.

Treeship, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link

Xp to frogbs

Treeship, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link

the notion that he thinks he can work with dems after salting that earth for the past two years is some o_O shit

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link

He doesn't feel he needs to do anything to justifying saying he did something so I'm not sure about that as an incentive

Evan, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link

justify*

Evan, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:16 (seven years ago) link

xxxpost a nationalist party, not a socialist party.

he wants people to unite behind Trump being awesome, and well frankly Trump voters having insurance to finally get their brain trauma looked at will work against that

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 18:16 (seven years ago) link


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