Trump's America, March 2017: Using His Inside VOICE

There may actually be a few Republican members of congress who would (speaking only for themselves) entertain single-payer or Medicare for all. But it won't happen, not least because it would make all the MAGAhatters' heads explode with incoherent rage. They hate government absolutely, and they love Trumpian ballsiness absolutely. A conflict between those two absolutes would probably cause them to melt.

Again, It won't happen, but I would love to see it if it could.

"He'd be able to say he tried to replace Obamacare with "something incredible" and be telling the truth"

See, this is where you go wrong. Trump can't tell the difference.

I have to confess I'm totally baffled by Treeship's new "hey guys, what if Donald Trump is actually not an ego-driven, rage-fueled imbecile, but secretly smart?" persona.

Trump worship trumps government-hate, as they'll only allow themselves to believe he's 100% awesome no matter what he does.

"let's see where he's going with this"

"He'd be able to say he tried to replace Obamacare with "something incredible" and be telling the truth"

See, this is where you go wrong. Trump can't tell the difference.

― Frederik B, Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:44 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Again he is not concerned with whether or not anything in reality coincides with what he says has occurred.

Agreed.

Also, if Trump proposed single payer, it would be the most obvious bluff in political history. And Schumer has already said they are open to fix obamacare with Trump. They would call his bluff, he'd have to fold because he can't get his own party on board, the Dems would own single payer, and would make it law in 2021.

Are we pretending now that Trump came up with his own policy positions and executive orders? Because otherwise the question isn't what position he may or may not take but rather what position his handlers may or may not feed to him.

Trump has zero ideas, i guess we're fortunate to the extent that his handlers with actual ideas are also terrible at politics and equally as unlikeable.

i do wish Obama hadn't roasted him though, maybe he should have invited him to the White House for an overcooked steak dinner and a root beer. I mean I'm pretty sure Trump's campaign and presidency is just a long revenge mission.

single payer doesn't directly harm people of color or directly enrich the trump family, no way he'd go for it

guys, there is no way Trump is going to be the nominee, come on

I have to confess I'm totally baffled by Treeship's new "hey guys, what if Donald Trump is actually not an ego-driven, rage-fueled imbecile, but secretly smart?" persona.

Don't have to be that smart to champion a health care model that's been proven to work better than our current one, but that politicians of both parties are loathe to endorse for reasons that are political rather than pragmatic. Especially at a time when town halls across the nation are aflame with people talking about their insane premiums, which were set to double or triple in some cases under the proposed Ryan legislation that Trump believes huniliated him.

This isn't 5-dimensional chess it's like tic tac toe. They'll probaly be too obtuse to do it though. Sorry for opening this tangent.

Unless Fox and Friends brings a story about the country clamoring for single payer, Trump won't know about. And I somehow doubt that they will...

Meantime:

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-the-white-house-and-republicans-blew-up-the-house-russia-investigation

Of note (last Monday being last week, not yesterday):

Last Monday morning, shortly before the start of the hearing, a senior White House official told me, “You’ll see the setting of the predicate. That’s the thing to watch today.” He suggested that I read a piece in The Hill about incidental collection. The article posited that if “Trump or his advisors were speaking directly to foreign individuals who were the target of U.S. spying during the election campaign, and the intelligence agencies recorded Trump by accident, it’s plausible that those communications would have been collected and shared amongst intelligence agencies.”

The White House clearly indicated to me that it knew Nunes would highlight this issue. “It’s backdoor surveillance where it’s not just incidental, it’s systematic,” the White House official said. “Watch Nunes today.”

i doubt trump could even coherently explain what single payer is, let alone advocate for it

I doubt Trump could even coherently explain health insurance.

I gotcher "backdoor surveillance" right here

I was reminded lately of the nurses union leader who said she believed Trump might enact single payer because his wife is European.
http://www.politico.com/states/california/story/2017/01/political-powerful-nurses-union-head-im-counting-on-trump-for-real-health-care-reform-108511

wapo or politico had a story the other day about the heritage foundation basically running point on some of the healthcare legislation because nobody knew wtf they were doing.. unfortunately theyre a little bit better at incubating and prepping supreme court nominees like gorsuch.

I doubt Trump could even coherently explain health insurance.

Paul Ryan can't - remember when he said insurance cannot work if healthy people have to pay more to subsidize the sick?

I mean, it's clear from his budget and other things that Trump is going down an anti-government road but I still think it's worth remembering that he didnt run on that and who knows what would happen if he cuts off the preibus wing. He's out for himself in the end--has no affextion for the gop.

He'd put the congressional Republicans he hates in the position of explaining to their voters why they're not backing him. He'd be able to say he tried to replace Obamacare with "something incredible" and be telling the truth, bolstering his outsider cred which bouyed him to the presidency. Plus it would never pass so his taxes wouldn't be raised.

― Treeship, Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:09 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he already did this with ryancare and the freedom caucus called his bluff without a second thought. you think they blink if it's single payer instead? huh?

xpost Yes, you beat me to the punch. They're all varying flavors of fucking moronic.

the genius move of letting slip they are creating an enemies list of REPUBLICANS is the craziest thing, what kind of half-assed dark lord plays it like that

also, bannon is nothing if not an ideologue, he would never support this. have you ever read the news? it might help to know a thing or two about these people

I mean, it's clear from his budget and other things that Trump is going down an anti-government road but I still think it's worth remembering that he didnt run on that and who knows what would happen if he cuts off the preibus wing. He's out for himself in the end--has no affextion for the gop.

― Treeship, Tuesday, March 28, 2017 7:19 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

good thing he was a cunt to everyone else involved. he needs them now! what a real ass politician.

Treeship, I agree that he doesn't _personally_ have any particular allegiance to GOPers or alt-right fucksticks or South Park Republicans or garden-variety antigovernment yahoos. But he's burned all other bridges by riding on their shoulders (as mayor j notes).

And (as has been noted a million times already) he is not smart or strategic or calculating. He's just a person made of garbage who craves power and adulation. The environment turned out to be perversely ripe for him, but that's all bloos under the bridge.

Anyways he could (theoretically) come out for transgender inclusion, abortion on demand, universal healthcare, unilateral nuclear disarmament, open borders, and, hell, every kid gets a puppy!

But (A) he won't, because he and/or his team knows who brought them to the dance. The agenda to date has been tailor-made for the red hat brigade. They have no incentive to stop tossing red meat in that direction, and every incentive to continue.

And (B) he has no ideas of his own, and he's surrounded by right-wing fucksticks, not left-wing fucksticks. If Bannon did an ideological 180 it's likely that Trump would too. But Bannon won't, so Trump won't (as k3vin notes).

I lost track of why we are even talking about this.

i just don't understand how from day to day you vacillate between being sarah kendzior and this bizarrely naive optimist. here's a piece of advice -- the outlook is never as bleak or as rosy as the most recent data point might suggest. take things as a whole, don't overreact to a couple hours of news cycle, and apply occam's razor. and take a deep breath.

I lost track of why we are even talking about this.

^^ new board description

"People say a lot of things around here, and it's fine. It's politics," Nunes told THE WEEKLY STANDARD.

Asked whether he was considering Schiff's request, which was later echoed by Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi, Nunes said "no."

Some of his fellow committee Republicans were more colorful in their rejection of calls for his recusal.

"Jesus would not be a satisfactory chairperson to some of my Democratic colleagues," South Carolina representative Trey Gowdy told TWS. "They would complain about his hair.

"I did this for 20 years. I've never met a defense attorney who didn't complain about the prosecutor, usually when they don't have good facts," Gowdy continued. "This is a factual investigation."

gee it's almost like they're arguing against strawmen

feel like "fuck trey gowdy" is a sentiment that can't ever really be expressed enough XP

trey gowdy is obviously salty that everyone talked shit about his stupid haircuts during benghazi

also trey - in your 20 years did the prosecutor go over to the defendants house to show him some cool new evidence in the case against them?

"Jesus would not be a satisfactory chairperson to some of my Democratic colleagues," South Carolina representative Trey Gowdy told TWS. "They would complain about his hair.

otm

McConnell not impressed with zombie AHCA

https://twitter.com/ericawerner/status/846788140580823041

Mcconnell making clear Obamacare repeal efforts dead. "We have the existing law in place and we'll just have to see how that works out."

on that note

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkor-0A1Gs

who gives a shit what that dork says. I'm too excited about Trump giving us Universal Health Care!

Fun!

https://twitter.com/PeterAlexander/status/846782739558928384

Monday: Nunes' spox: Comey "couldn't come in tomorrow as we hoped."
Today: FBI: No official request for Comey's testimony was ever received.

doesn't mean they weren't hoping

he couldn't moonwalk into the hearing they mean

Didn't Trump say he supported single payer in one of the early Republican debates? Probably without knowing what it meant but still.

he thought it meant Warren Buffet is the one person who pays for everyone's health care

Actually it is Jimmy Buffet

Not to engage in outrage porn, but for as much idiocy as these chucklefucks indulge in on the reg, this seems like next-level fucked-up even for Fox News commentators going after Democratic Congresswomen

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeffreyGuterman/status/846757737908355073

or, to put it another way, this seems like your average Tuesday on Fox News

That too

Fox News: Testing the Waters For Overt Televised Racism Since 1996

can we talk about trump spotting everyone $50? i think that would totally work for him.