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Lots of rock en espanol (esp. Brazilian stuff a la Chico Sciene and Nacao Zumbi) is at least on the borderline of this stuff as well. And maybe some Johny Gutiar Watson, too.

Shakey: Dickvandyke mentioned my book first; I answered him. Jeez.

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Also, Isley Brothers tracks like "That Lady."

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:22 (nineteen years ago) link

And CJ and Company, "Devil's Gun."

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link

how about Native American acid rock? Anybody want to sell me their J.D. Blackfoot on Mercury first pressing?

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:29 (nineteen years ago) link

"Weird - My "tastes" include lots of stuff you say you like on this thread, Shakey. "

yeah, but your tastes also include lots of shit I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole. And I think so far the only thing I really professed a liking for on this thread is Prince (tho you might deduce that I am indeed a fan of Funkadelic/Miles Davis/Electric Mud)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Anybody who doesn't know what Pete Cosey (and the others Don mentioned)(and STAIRWAY TO HELL) have to do with black acid rock should listen again. or for the first time, come to think of it.

― Penis Van Lesbian, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Ditto anybody who believes Funkadelic never played heavy metal.

― alpha motherfucker, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link

So get your shit TOGETHA

― Captain Flashback, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:45 (nineteen years ago) link

we just need Olga to weigh in and that should settle it.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:47 (nineteen years ago) link

And hey, what about Black proto-Acid House Acid Rock, like "Eden" by Cybotron? That stuff belongs here, too. (Don't worry, I'm not gonna mention "Dead Giveaway," "Easy Lover," "Misled," or "Lips To Find You" by Teena Fucking Marie whose whiteness is obviously only skin deep. At least not unless I start getting really pissed off, I won't.)

― chuck not olga, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:50 (nineteen years ago) link

this thread has gone from black acid rock to black musicians who took acid. and had a few loud messy guitars.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:54 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm still trying to figure out who the black people on those David Axelrod records with the Electric Prunes were, myself.

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 19:59 (nineteen years ago) link

That's a pretty good defintion of acid rock, Dick. Also, acid rocks whatever rocks you on acid, and acids you on rock. But Jason, if you're not wanting to deal with the jazz factor(which I doubt is altogether true, since you're so far interested in Pete Cosey, you might still enjoy Sharrock's SEIZE THE RAINBOW and HIGHLIFE. And maybe hold the other Sharrockin for later; dittoBlood, Carter, and Murray-o (nicknamed by his friends cos his hero is Maceo) Don't wait on that tuffcity.com stuff too long though. (Chuck: I listened to xavion not too long ago and the 80s synths were wrong flavor of cheese. But I'll listen some more. Weren't they like the rock Jacksons of, or at least from, Nashville?) Speaking of finding traces of black acid rock where you can (never been too much of it, nor could there be), best wah-wah I've ever heard is played by Charlie Haden's upright bass, through a pickup & pedal, on and especailly at the end of Ornette Coleman's "Rock The Clock," on SCIENCE FICTION. But the rest of it's defintely the j-word.

― Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:11 (nineteen years ago) link

Lotta god wahhhhhhhhhhhh on the Meters' CABBAGE ALLEY too, though ahcid it ahnt. Chuck, the CD sounds a lot better, or less primitive, than the normal-bias tape of the already-15-year-old LP, which I sent you abck in '87.

― Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:41 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh yeah, and one of Slash's parents is black, his dad, I think. So should we consider there to be some black rock in GnR's sound?

― Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:06 (nineteen years ago) link

Actually, Ego Trip's Big Book of Racism lists GnR, along with Metallica, Soundgarden, Slayer, Rage Against the Machine, the Doobie Brothers, the Allman Brothers, and I forget who else, among rock's "top interracial bands," or something like that.

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:11 (nineteen years ago) link

guns n roses: black rock icons. yep. axl even has his hair in thin braids these days too. he knows the deal.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Now if only they would have kept that funky drummer they started out with on their first album.

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:14 (nineteen years ago) link

Presumably when Axl sang about "immigrants and faggots" he muttered "not you, Slash mate" under his breath.

― noodle vague (noodle vague), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:20 (nineteen years ago) link

he did, you can hear it in the outtake version of that song. its clearly audible. he also added some adlibs saying 'dont hate me, some of my best friends are black.'

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:21 (nineteen years ago) link

the libertines: another great black rock band. gary powell adds a lot of blackness (and soulfulness and funkiness too, of course!) to the libertines' overall sound. greg tate is reportedly trying to use them to gain the black rock coalition some new publicity.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:24 (nineteen years ago) link

I think next we should have the white acid rock thread. Hendrix goes in cuzza Redding/Mitchell of course. Also Steve Lacy, that guy was really off his rocker. I think there is a guitar on one of his records somewhere.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:25 (nineteen years ago) link

I liked when Zep went from blues to funky rock. I knew several good balck musicians in the 70s who studied them.(And Branford Marsalis, in talking about how he decided to base one of his album covers on the PHYS GRAFFITTI design, specified different things that he and his father and his brothers, including the pre-jazz-only Wynton, liked about Zep.) Come to think of it, I read somewhere that Nile Rodgers had a kinda Zeppish black rock band, Big Apple, but they coudn't get a contract in the disco squeeze (ditto a lot of funk bands, at that point.) So screw it he formed Chic. Always liked his Bo Diddleyvolution (working it past Velvet Underground's"What Goes On.") And Queen and the Sugar Hill Gang did too.

― Don, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:26 (nineteen years ago) link

tv on the radio get in the white acid rock thread cos if david sitek. i think sitek alone, seeing as he does all the music and production, qualifies them as a white band anyway.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:28 (nineteen years ago) link

But how are TV on the Radio "rock," exactly?? I don't get it. (Don't get the people who call them "soulful," either, but never mind.)

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:31 (nineteen years ago) link

i like bo diddley's acid rock albums.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:32 (nineteen years ago) link

Lawrence Welk weird as Sun Ra, basically. Ikey the keyb player for Mars Volta, says he gets it from all sides, cos he's a black art rocker from the suburbs. Mars Volta is at least brown acid rock, considering Cedric and Oscar are Chicano. Remember GnW's "Civil War"

― Easy Listening Babylon, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:33 (nineteen years ago) link

Hey wait, what about War? And maybe even Stevie Wonder once or twice? (And Santana must have had some people black as well as brown sometimes, right? And does Papa John Creach count??)

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:36 (nineteen years ago) link

well TVOTR do have more than a few indie rock traits in their music. they just dont execute many of them with loud guitars, or rock out with their synths or whatever it is they use. what would you classify them as chuck?

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:38 (nineteen years ago) link

re: Papa John, I would hope so! If he doesn't, then Long John Silver ain't best black acid rock lp of all time.

2nd verse of "Royal Orleans", Pagey kinda foreshadows the Rodgers chk-a chk-a. Presence is such a monster album, Bonham's finest hour.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link

A sixth-rate mid-career Peter Gabriel imitation, maybe, with requisite amorphous elevator tendencies for "avant" cred? Who the heck knows...

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― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:41 (nineteen years ago) link

avant-electronica indie maybe?

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:42 (nineteen years ago) link

since no one else is gonna mention them, i feel i should since they are two of my favorite records of all time and because they are very very funky acid rock records: Divine Styler's Spiral Walls Containing Autumns Of Light and New Kingdom's Paradise Don't Come Cheap.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:44 (nineteen years ago) link

divine styler? the rapper? are you sure?

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:45 (nineteen years ago) link

oh, i'm sure all right.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:46 (nineteen years ago) link

i think i have that album (ive got two of his LPs) but i cant remember ever thinking 'hey! black acid rock alert!'

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:47 (nineteen years ago) link

New Kingdom was great. Man, whatever happened to them?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

it's a complete acid freakout. i mean, there is rhyming, but big deal. the live drums and guitar make it very rockish.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:49 (nineteen years ago) link

they probably got too stoned to realise they stopped making music, along with justin warfield.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:50 (nineteen years ago) link

War was so sloww, and thick (and good). They were lude rock. Santana inspired people I knew to take Seconal and lay back in the sun and'or moon, but maybe they were on acid to start with, or maybe Santana were (acid with speed, but wasn't it all.) Jack Cassidy (sp?) inspired people I knew (not only but also including some of the people in previous sentence) to take up instruments, not necessarily the bass, and to pump the acid rock goodness, though not as good as he did. (Who did, after all? We all had a ball trying.) He's down there gooood (listen to BLESS ITS POINTED LITTLE HEAD for Jack's sake)

― Mr. Mojo Risin, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

in that case, scott, 3 feet high-era de la, justin warfield, pm dawn and a host of god knows how many others to thread!

this thread knows no limits, in spite of the initial post's request.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:51 (nineteen years ago) link

no, no, no, i disagree. Divine's album is an ACID album. It's a psych record. with big phat guitars and drums. it is not pot smokin' rap music.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

one of the reason i like dalek and clouddead so much is cuzza that great psych vibe.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:54 (nineteen years ago) link

i will dig that divine album out.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:57 (nineteen years ago) link

>this thread knows no limits, in spite of the initial post's request<

which was:

>looking for the funk with liberal doses of fuzz<

i don't think many nominated records have actually ignored that, dick.

― chuck, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Jack was tops. That whole band was tops. Doesn't get too much better than Jorma, either. People who don't dig the Airplane make me laugh. Though I WIsh they woulda done even more stuff like "Bear Melt", or "Thing" from that Fillmore East CD from a few years back.

All that stuff is pre-Papa John though, so outside the remit of this thread.

― Monetizing Eyeballs (diamond), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:00 (nineteen years ago) link

with this: "looking for the funk with liberal doses of fuzz" in mind (seeing as its not really rock-exclusive), i would nominate:

early EWF
early funkadelic, or anything up to and including 1978 on the whole
sly stone circa stand
early 70s curtis mayfield
late 60s/early-mid 70s isley brothers
isaac hayes - hot buttered soul
war
mothers finest
buddy miles

etc etc

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:06 (nineteen years ago) link

I dunno about including Sly - he doesn't really get too fuzzy, and when he does, it's usually only cuz he's letting Larry Graham do an 8-bar break. Freddie was a great guitarist, but he didn't really stretch out with a lot of crazed, overdriven solos.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:09 (nineteen years ago) link

i always liked that mar-keys album with "angel dust" and "creeper's funkastrations" on it. can't remember how much fuzz is on that album though. i haven't played it in a long time. i think there was some though. good wordless orgasmic moaning though, a la p-funk.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:10 (nineteen years ago) link

true, shakey, sly was still pretty orderly, although blues tracks like sex machine werent that 'tight' sounding.

― dickvandyke (dickvandyke), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 22:11 (nineteen years ago) link

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