French elections 2017: completing the hat-trick?

We watched it for about half an hour before giving up.

just turned it on, utterly toxic

i didn't read it as i value my time - to a very small extent - and don't find zizek's act remotely entertaining anymore

He's really flailing these days, no? Alternating between the far right, neoliberals, what's the diff cliché of that article and the sudden attempts to be the voice of liberal reason re: antifas violence ("Ghandi was more radical than Hitler" - words I'd never have expected to come out of his mouth a few years ago). The world has gotten so volatile that he can no longer figure out what is the correct contrarian position to take.

I still don't get why Melenchon couldn't just say something similar... But oh well.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, 3 May 2017 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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zizek is a clown and has always been.

Ernst Thälmann, leader of the German Communist Party during the Weimar Republic: 'Nach Hitler kommen wir!' 'After Hitler it'll be our turn.'

In probably the least surprising development ever, Macron is the victim of a massive hack and leak.

i dunno, im surprised

Considering Fillon's numbers I'm guessing (hoping?) the French electorate is scandal-proof.

Meanwhile, highly important opinion:

http://pitchfork.com/news/69836-morrissey-says-marine-le-pen-won-french-election-debate-but-the-media-wont-admit-it/

I wonder if Morrissey knows he has zero fans outside the metropolitan elites he whines about.

Wasn't the main reason Fillon maintained the numbers that none of the other candidates were Conservative enough for his fan-club? I wish Morrissey would stop talking, and breathing.

imagine being Morrissey's keyboard player and being required to post his dumb-ass Daily Telegraph commenter pronouncements on your facebook, sounds nightmarish

the lack of enthusiasm here is pretty striking

I understand this is a sensitive topic but keep opinions, opinions and not offenses. It is my personal FB so debate is welcome but insults and berating are not. And keep in mind, his statements are about the media. Nothing more, nothing less. Thank you all...very much. Con amor, - g

*Amendment at the bottom*

My sister once considered getting a Morrissey tattoo. I talked her out of it by saying that the guy is one hiccup away from saying something unambiguously irredeemable.

(Assuming you don't believe he's said something that bad already, which he's definitely toed.)

going to vote. mort au fascisme.

loaded my iphone with fugazi records for the hour long queue. And i'll end up voting against Le Pen in my high school gym, which is going to be a small personnal victory.

I am quite confident in the French people that they won't vote for a such a rotten person like Le Pen. Her smug smile in the debate with Macron made me vomit, how can someone be so false? Do not forget the French president has more power in his/her country than the US president. I do not understand the people who don't vote at all or who vote "white". They are the worst, they are just the stirrup holders of fascism. I hope that she won't get 30% but somehow I fear it will be more close.

Done! what a sastifying vote.

Thank god there is no electoral college.

Last polls were 60/40 Alex, so 30% would be almost a relief.

My partner's braving the cues in London right now. Big expat turnout would be a good thing, not many Le Pen voters there.

Any Le Pen defeat will do me, not bothered about margins. Even in my calmer moments, I tend to think the polls are wrong and she'll get above 45%. You don't really need to know what I think in my less calm moments

Richard Seymour also thought Le Pen won the TV debate by the way. Though I think he's coming at it from a different angle than Maurice E.

A facebook-friend of mine, basic income, Bernie-fan, posted an article claiming Le Pen was the actual left-wing choice, and Macron a part of global elite conspiracy - of course involving the Rothchilds. I'm really at a loss with some people...

there is actually a p simple explanation for that particular stance..

Old flatmate of mine, my oldest friend, both studied philosophy, SSP member, we went to mosques together after Iraq war protests etc has added le pen to his list of favourites alongside trump, wilder etc. I blocked him long ago, when he started on about how he 'gay agenda' and radical feminism are supporting Islam for...something.

I don't understand it, nor do I particularly care to at this point, but these folks from a loose 'online right' that push for people like le pen. Hence the hack, presumably.

A facebook-friend of mine, basic income, Bernie-fan, posted an article claiming Le Pen was the actual left-wing choice, and Macron a part of global elite conspiracy - of course involving the Rothchilds. I'm really at a loss with some people..

Lose that friend, Fred.

I think losing FB altogether is the best option, gimme ILX over that shit anyday!

Girlfriend quite worried that participation levels being the same as for the first round is a bad sign - since she fears quite a lot of leftists will stay home.

She's done her best to badger her family - sister isn't voting, father is handing in a protest vote to change the presidential system, brother said he will "decide when I get to the ballot". Apparently she burned her chances after having convinced them all to vote Hollande last time. I don't understand how leftists can be this blasé at such a moment, it's disgraceful.

I don't understand how leftists can be this blasé at such a moment, it's disgraceful.

exhibit a

Or he doesn't want to act like a servant of neo-lib interests. If he supports Macron the far-right can say he is an establishment guy in 2022.

Melenchon supporters can make their minds up.

How is his programme not a continuation of things, kicking-down-the-can stuff that just leaks votes to the far-right. This is not a game. Endorsement stuff reeks of that.

Be happy for the crumbs you have France! Stop flirting with racists and don't demand too much.

etc

Q: If Le Pen were to pull out a win, what will the makeup of the legislature look like and could they stop a Frexit from taking place if opposed?

Record abstention levels since 1969.

Really bad feeling about this.

same.

Early exit poll suggesting Macron well ahead fwiw.

yeah i mean, i'm loathe to count chickens, but the polls were way way in favour of macron, it's not exactly like brexit/trump.

'Official projection', Macron 30% ahead.

it's just been called for macron, i think

Emmanuel Macron est élu président de la République avec 65,1 % des voix (estimation Ipsos) #Presidentelle2017 https://t.co/WAwLd2yrZ5 pic.twitter.com/pZ0Vkj4iTD

— Le Monde (@lemondefr) May 7, 2017

comforting

35%

35 fuckin percent

^^^this is the state vote estimate not that actual vote count, which will not come in for some time)

(to date the estimate has generally been within 1% of the outcome, so fingers x-d)

Le LOL.

It looks like Le Pen is only scoring marginally higher than the abstention count.

Wait, the maths wouldn't add up? I have no idea how abstentions/vote blanc count in France, but if I understand correctly she did 35% of the 75% of the people who voted, right?

It seems the FN won't exist anymore, that Le Pen will build a new party.

When Le Pen's dad ran in the second round against Chiraq, Chirac won by 80%. And Chirac is strongly to the right of Macron. So this 65/34 result is not very reassuring from a French perspective.

That being said: WHEW.

he started his party about a year ago. i think it is a pretty good result.

now let's ship Macron and Trudeau. Madeau sounds better than Trucron.

this is beautiful:

you ok hun? @wollygogg pic.twitter.com/iolH2ZZA1P

— ryan (@ryxnf) May 7, 2017

Good, expected result for Macron. I think 65/35 is a decent margin. Lots of work to be done so Le Pen won't win it in five years though.

xp We can embed tweets now?