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I'm reading Supreme Conflict at the moment, and I've underestimated Thomas' influence on the court, especially on Scalia, whom he's been accused of aping (when the evidence shows that Thomas swayed Scalia in the early days).

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 May 2009 18:09 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm sure every lawyer in the SCOTUS bar has a million jokes about him, he's ridiculed in the press all the time for not asking questions during oral argument and for having an RV and just being a total weirdo, plus he's considered the poorest writer on the court.

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 18:10 (fifteen years ago) link

he's ridiculed in the press all the time for not asking questions during oral argument and for having an RV and just being a total weirdo

Rehnquist, Roberts, and Ginsburg all say he asks sharp questions in conference. He's a weirdo, sure (and a really angry one too), but I'm not going so far as to call him an embarrassment or hack because I don't agree with his jurisprudence.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 May 2009 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link

“I have to admit,” he said, “that I’m one of those people that still thinks the dishwasher is a miracle. What a device! And I have to admit that because I think that way, I like to load it. I like to look in and see how the dishes were magically cleaned.”

erudite e-scholar (harbl), Wednesday, 6 May 2009 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link

I'm reading Supreme Conflict at the moment

how's that? have just started the nine by jeffrey toobins.

corps of discovery (schlump), Wednesday, 6 May 2009 18:16 (fifteen years ago) link

Nowhere near as good as Toobin's. Her prose is lumpy, and she has little patience with analyzing cases; she's more interested in People Magazine profiles (which makes this a pretty entertaining read, actually).

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 May 2009 18:17 (fifteen years ago) link

Rehnquist, Roberts, and Ginsburg all say he asks sharp questions in conference. He's a weirdo, sure (and a really angry one too), but I'm not going so far as to call him an embarrassment or hack because I don't agree with his jurisprudence.

I'm not saying he's an embarrasement because of his jurisprudence. I'm sure he's a great guy to work with. I'm saying he's an embarrassment b/c unlike say, Scalia, he's a shitty writer and plus you know the dishwasher shit. And then there's this:

“Today there is much focus on our rights,” Justice Thomas said. “Indeed, I think there is a proliferation of rights.”

“I am often surprised by the virtual nobility that seems to be accorded those with grievances,” he said. “Shouldn’t there at least be equal time for our Bill of Obligations and our Bill of Responsibilities?”

Mr. Que, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 18:22 (fifteen years ago) link

Those bits deserve their own thread.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 May 2009 18:23 (fifteen years ago) link

"Stevens isn't a liberal either."

But as someone said at the beginning of this thread years ago:

"Stevens is the only one of the Justices worth a damn when it comes to criminal law."

Three Word Username, Wednesday, 6 May 2009 18:50 (fifteen years ago) link

open to gay tendencies but what about gay activities?

fantazy land (harbl), Thursday, 7 May 2009 20:07 (fifteen years ago) link

I mean Scalia isn't good for the right because he's conservative, he's good for the right because he can make conservative arguments that have at least a superficial appearance of soundness, sureness and clarity with regard to the Constitution.

Plus -- I'm sad to say -- he's probably the best writer on the Supreme Court.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 7 May 2009 20:10 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah, i've read a handful of his opinions (usually via lithwick) and it's like damn i totally agree with you, dude, waht is going on

i like to fart and i am crazy (gbx), Thursday, 7 May 2009 20:15 (fifteen years ago) link

Scalia's great genius is a myth

Here Comes the Hardzinger (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 May 2009 20:18 (fifteen years ago) link

yeah wtf i can't stand the way he writes. almost as bad as kennedy.

fantazy land (harbl), Thursday, 7 May 2009 20:19 (fifteen years ago) link

I don't think he's a genius. I think he's knows how to turn a very sharp phrase, explain difficult notions simply and directly, and he began calling out other Justices in his opinions, a practice that hadn't been done before Scalia (at least not nearly as much, or as well).

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 7 May 2009 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link

he's funny

Mr. Que, Thursday, 7 May 2009 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link

There u go.

Daniel, Esq., Thursday, 7 May 2009 20:22 (fifteen years ago) link

he is funny but his tendency to call people out always really bothered me, so smug, especially given how he is never, ever, right.

fantazy land (harbl), Thursday, 7 May 2009 20:23 (fifteen years ago) link

i'm all for a good zing but it's the supreme court, zings are frowned upon imo

fantazy land (harbl), Thursday, 7 May 2009 20:24 (fifteen years ago) link

He and Gore Vidal have one thing in common: an alarmist self-pity, manifesting itself in jeremiads about the fall of the Republic.

I'm crossing over into enterprise (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 May 2009 21:08 (fifteen years ago) link

two of my favorite dudes there

Here Comes the Hardzinger (gabbneb), Thursday, 7 May 2009 21:25 (fifteen years ago) link

Jeffrey Rosen says some more things.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 May 2009 21:26 (fifteen years ago) link

Rosen's right about one thing--Sotomayor's entry in the Almanac of the Federal Judiciary is pretty harsh

Mr. Que, Thursday, 7 May 2009 21:37 (fifteen years ago) link

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2009/05/11/a_scotus_short_list.html

i've been kinda going with the assumption (CW?) that Obama picks whoever is easiest to confirm - he wants to save his capital for agenda items, has shown little interest in engaging on social issues, and it's unclear how many votes he has. i'm not sure that's right, though. the court is obv extra-ordinary business and something he's clearly interested in, plus it may just be downhill from here, capital- (and votes-?) wise. not that there's a huge difference between the options. i perceive the state of play as the following:

Wood: perceived as the most liberal, and perhaps the sharpest; she seems to be the pick that makes it a fight (her age might temper opposition, though not by much, and it would make the pick less likely); he'll have to set the terms of the debate first, and well
Sotomayor: perceived as liberal, but the double-demographic appeal and her original appointment by Poppy may well make her the easiest confirmation (and the talk about her being difficult, etc., may also make her an easier confirmation - but also a less likely pick?)
Kagan: perceived as less liberal than Wood (and Sotomayor?) and therefore perhaps also an easier confirmation; her (Roberts-esque?) personality may cause the GOP concern behind the scenes (and make her a more likely pick?), but they'll need some other textual excuse to oppose her (her lack of bench experience and her position in the Obama admin, presumably)
Napolitano: her lower- (lowest?) wattage may raise her chances - less of a personality than Kagan, and may be perceived as less liberal by virtue of being top cop; politically connected to Obama in more high-profile fashion than Kagan, but AG is not a political position (and Obama may want someone with more political skills there?)

the Member for Paisley (gabbneb), Monday, 11 May 2009 22:06 (fifteen years ago) link

he could, of course, pick a Wood first, and if things don't work out, revert to another choice. though that wouldn't seem to be very Obama-esque procedure.

the Member for Paisley (gabbneb), Monday, 11 May 2009 22:07 (fifteen years ago) link

so basically

Wood = Rehnquist
Sotomayor = Scalia (the easier confirmation of the two)
Kagan = Roberts
Napolitano = Alito

?

the Member for Paisley (gabbneb), Monday, 11 May 2009 22:23 (fifteen years ago) link

http://egan.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/souters-summits/

WOD wasn't exactly the best justice, but he did know his mountains

"the whale saw her" (gabbneb), Monday, 18 May 2009 00:10 (fifteen years ago) link

I have hiked in the William O. Douglas Wilderness Area in Washington State. It really is a lovely bit of all right.

Aimless, Thursday, 21 May 2009 00:25 (fourteen years ago) link

god ben nelson is such a tool

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Monday, 25 May 2009 13:43 (fourteen years ago) link

Just came here to say ^^^^^^, but less eloquently.

Daniel, Esq., Monday, 25 May 2009 13:48 (fourteen years ago) link

is Bill Brennan dead?

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I just wanna say that no matter who the nominee is he or she is totally not good enough for me & is a huge disappointment

worm? lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:52 (fourteen years ago) link

I heard Obama is going to pick George W Bush, in a sign of looking forward.

dulce est desipere in loco (Euler), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:53 (fourteen years ago) link

ah crap too slow, NYT main page now says Sotomayor.

dulce est desipere in loco (Euler), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:54 (fourteen years ago) link

I heard Obama is going to pick George W Bush, in a sign of looking forward.

admit that you would pay top dollar to read one of Justice Bush's opinions

worm? lol (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:59 (fourteen years ago) link

I know he has no interest in a liberal "ideologue," whatever that means, but after the 2010 midterms he won't approach a veto-proof majority again. Why not risk a Pam Karlan – someone who can hold their own against Scalia and Roberts?

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 12:59 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I would have preferred a stronger, more impressive pick -- the kind that would capture law students' fancy and make the liberal wing look highly credible.

Garri$on Kilo (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 13:42 (fourteen years ago) link

"In stunning news, President Obama picked himself for the Supreme Court. "Some say that I'm trying to do too much while in office. To them, I just want to say that I can walk and chew gum at the same time." President George W. Bush, while disappointed with the choice of an "activist judge", said that he was impressed with President Obama's "taking my unitary executive view to a whole new level"."

dulce est desipere in loco (Euler), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 13:45 (fourteen years ago) link

She ordered the end of the baseball strike so that's good enough for me.

Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 26 May 2009 13:48 (fourteen years ago) link

I really don't know much about her, but I can't resist the opportunity:

SOUTH BRONX! SOUTH-SOUTH BRONX!

Subtlest Fart Joke (Oilyrags), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 13:48 (fourteen years ago) link

since i dont follow any judges and shit, can i ask whats not 'strong' about sotomayor?

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 13:52 (fourteen years ago) link

her left hook

Unclench, y'all, unclench (HI DERE), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 13:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Making left turns when the stoplight turns from yellow to red.

Bud Huxtable (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 May 2009 13:55 (fourteen years ago) link


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