Tina Fey talking sense here.
well people hate this and yet cried in joy when a Leonard Cohen song was used for Hillary Clinton SNL audience isnt the brightest
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 August 2017 13:15 (six years ago) link
Could you possibly take her advice with regards to this board and fuck off somewhere to eat a cake?
― Frederik B, Friday, 18 August 2017 13:52 (six years ago) link
all the SNL shit is geoblocked here, was the gist of the argument really "stay home and eat cake instead of demonstrating" or was there more to it
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 18 August 2017 13:57 (six years ago) link
Why are they doing SNL skits on Thursday
― President Keyes, Friday, 18 August 2017 14:03 (six years ago) link
the crux of it was this:
“Next time when you see a bunch of white boys in polo shirts screaming about taking our country back, and you want to scream, ‘It’s not our country; we stole it from the Native Americans, and when they have a peaceful protest at Standing Rock, we shoot at them with rubber bullets, but we let you chinless turds march through the streets with semi-automatic weapons!’ When you want to yell that, don’t yell it at the Klan, Colin—yell it into the cake. Then when Ann Coulter crawls out of her roach motel and says, ‘Antifa attacked Republicans in Berkeley,’ and you’re like ‘O.K., yard-sale Barbie, but the other side is Nazis and Klansmen. And also, who drove the car into the crowd, Hillary’s e-mails?
― rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Friday, 18 August 2017 14:03 (six years ago) link
:/
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 18 August 2017 14:05 (six years ago) link
I completely played myself today by even giving half a fuck what Tina Fey has to say about anything. she wins, I lose
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 18 August 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link
What are people upset about? (I'm assuming the upset people are non-Nazis?)
― President Keyes, Friday, 18 August 2017 14:08 (six years ago) link
I mean I know our eyes turn to Tina Fey after each national tragedy. Has she let us down this time?
― President Keyes, Friday, 18 August 2017 14:09 (six years ago) link
was the gist of the argument really "stay home and eat cake instead of demonstrating" or was there more to it
she advocates patronizing jewish, black, and minority establishments instead of going to these rallies.
i know, what a horrible person.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 August 2017 14:19 (six years ago) link
http://splinternews.com/tina-feys-response-to-charlottesville-is-white-privileg-1797971194
Yes, she’s right to be concerned about safety. White supremacist rallies have a very good chance of escalating into violence. But to actually advise people to not protest Nazis can only come from someone of immense privilege, from someone whose community who actually faces no threat, and from someone who will most likely make it out okay if things go south.I’m sure Fey’s heart’s in the right place, but it just goes to prove once again that even liberals can fall into the trap of assigning the violence that white supremacists cause to the people trying to stand against it—the flip side of the very same rhetoric Donald Trump was spouting earlier this week.Ignoring Nazis isn’t taking the high road. Protesting and facing potential danger is taking the high road. Obviously, we cannot afford to sit at home. While I wholeheartedly believe “sheetcaking” is a great coping mechanism that can cure many a broken heart, and supporting Jewish and black-owned businesses is a great thing, the last time we let Nazis scream into the empty air, it ended up in a fucking genocide.
I’m sure Fey’s heart’s in the right place, but it just goes to prove once again that even liberals can fall into the trap of assigning the violence that white supremacists cause to the people trying to stand against it—the flip side of the very same rhetoric Donald Trump was spouting earlier this week.
Ignoring Nazis isn’t taking the high road. Protesting and facing potential danger is taking the high road. Obviously, we cannot afford to sit at home. While I wholeheartedly believe “sheetcaking” is a great coping mechanism that can cure many a broken heart, and supporting Jewish and black-owned businesses is a great thing, the last time we let Nazis scream into the empty air, it ended up in a fucking genocide.
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Friday, 18 August 2017 14:25 (six years ago) link
But to actually advise people to not protest Nazis can only come from someone of immense privilege
tbf there are plenty advising the opposite that also have immense privilege and no connection to the communities where these rallies will take place.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 August 2017 14:46 (six years ago) link
yeah, i was going to say, a rich actress telling people to go out and risk their bodies wouldn't have played well either
― President Keyes, Friday, 18 August 2017 14:50 (six years ago) link
x-post: That is not an argument for anything... That's just playing 'who's the most privileged'. The point isn't that Tina Fey is privileged, the point is that her argument is a result of that privilege. And she could just say that she would show up herself as well.
― Frederik B, Friday, 18 August 2017 14:52 (six years ago) link
'Have you ever noticed how it's only privileged people who try and examine their own privilege? So clearly that's a bad thing to do, because only privileged people do it'
those are definitely the two options xxp
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 18 August 2017 14:53 (six years ago) link
i'm glad that things aren't so serious that we can't afford to make stupid critiques of the implications of off-season SNL weekend update comments
― Mordy, Friday, 18 August 2017 14:56 (six years ago) link
my two questions are: what the hell is sheet cake? why is snl on during the week during its hiatus?
the hilary's emails bit was the real nadir of that bit. literally a joke made by thousands of people every day, just lazy.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 18 August 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link
SNL is lazy empty bs 99% of the time, will never watch again and will never forgive Lorne for promoting Trump
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 August 2017 16:29 (six years ago) link
The Fey sketch was about stress eating out of despair. The people outraged over it as done sort of commentary on activism are deranged or just not being on the level.
― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 18 August 2017 16:39 (six years ago) link
you would know about that
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Friday, 18 August 2017 16:40 (six years ago) link
idk if you heard but she's unspeakably vile
That Tina Fey line asking "who drove the car into the crowd? Hillary's emails?" is unspeakably vile and she should never have a platform— mr email (@alecolyte) August 18, 2017
― rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Friday, 18 August 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link
I can think of a lot of ways to make it a stress-eating joke without arguing that giving minority-owned businesses your money will rid us of the problem nearly as effectively as direct action will. People are getting hurt and killed, you really think people aren't going to take this shit seriously? xxp
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 18 August 2017 16:44 (six years ago) link
Fey is the distaff Andy Borowitz
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 August 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link
come on, she's not a hack
― rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Friday, 18 August 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link
I can think of a lot of ways to make it a stress-eating joke without arguing that giving minority-owned businesses your money will rid us of the problem nearly as effectively as direct action will.
this is such a strange reading of that joke
― President Keyes, Friday, 18 August 2017 16:54 (six years ago) link
yeah I think a lot of her stuff and associated stuff is mostly pretty funny
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 18 August 2017 16:54 (six years ago) link
giving minority-owned businesses your money will rid us of the problem nearly as effectively as direct action will
what is the intended result of "direct action"? what is the goal of these counter protests? an actual goal not "win the message".
helping minority owned businesses directly helps that community. it is constructive rather than destructive.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 18 August 2017 16:56 (six years ago) link
some things need to be destroyed
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 18 August 2017 16:58 (six years ago) link
Adam what is your weird aversion to public protest/confrontation
― Οὖτις, Friday, 18 August 2017 16:59 (six years ago) link
It was funny. And there's a lot of very valid arguments against confronting them directly, and I don't 100% believe that as stated above setting up counter protests in other locations, ignoring them, etc will definitely lead to genocide.
― dan selzer, Friday, 18 August 2017 17:03 (six years ago) link
And why there was SNL on a weeknight during the summer is because they decided to have a weekly weekend update during the summer because it's doing really well for Jon Oliver, Samantha Bee, Seth Meyers, Colbert etc so how could they miss out on this?
― dan selzer, Friday, 18 August 2017 17:05 (six years ago) link
I don't 100% believe that as stated above setting up counter protests in other locations, ignoring them, etc will definitely lead to genocide.
great argument
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 18 August 2017 17:07 (six years ago) link
I didn't feel like I needed to make that argument. Not sure how I feel about the argument that letting these neo-nazis march through the streets without getting into fist-fights with them will lead to genocide.
― dan selzer, Friday, 18 August 2017 17:09 (six years ago) link
Nor do I think that Tina Fey ranting jokes on TV is a dangerous argument to be really angry about.
― dan selzer, Friday, 18 August 2017 17:10 (six years ago) link
im seeing brigsby bear tonite
― flappy bird, Friday, 18 August 2017 17:11 (six years ago) link
xxp there's a huge difference between "letting them march unopposed" and "getting into fistfights"
― sleeve, Friday, 18 August 2017 17:11 (six years ago) link
i don't know if depriving neo-nazis of the oxygen of your attention is better than confronting them (tho that's often the argument made about ignoring other radical groups prone to violence) but it's certainly not a /bad/ argument.
― Mordy, Friday, 18 August 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link
Why is everyone automatically assuming that Tina Fey playing a character screaming at a cake before shoveling it into her mouth is meant to be taken as a 100% sympathetic, valorous character? Isn't a big chunk of the joke here that, despite meaning well and thinking some good, rational things re: how to be a decent person under normal circumstances, we're watching a terrified person who has no idea what to do so she's settled on screaming at her food before eating it? How do you remove the portion of the presentation where she is obviously terrified and doesn't know what to do and have anything cogent to critique?
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 18 August 2017 17:12 (six years ago) link
Why is everyone automatically assuming that Tina Fey playing a character screaming at a cake before shoveling it into her mouth is meant to be taken as a 100% sympathetic, valorous character?
This is a very valid, Verhoeven-ian point.
― Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Friday, 18 August 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
adam have u ever seen this photo y/n
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/08528d151a87c5ee48640c115edd31759dc2fbdf/c=102-0-1689-1190&r=x404&c=534x401/local/-/media/Montgomery/2015/03/01/B9316206437Z.1_20150301013352_000_G059UEA5G.1-0.jpg
― Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Friday, 18 August 2017 17:14 (six years ago) link
Whether or not it was meant as satire, it's certainly not being taken that way.
Tina Fey with the sanest response to #Charlottesville of all https://t.co/y8vqH6ySo3 via @crooksandliars— J.K. Rowling (@jk_rowling) August 18, 2017
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 18 August 2017 17:16 (six years ago) link
But when the alt-rite are there looking to start a fight, and you show up ready to give them that fight, and there's an inevitable fight, and violence escalates, and the alt-rite uses that to fan their flames make excuses etc, I think that can be counter-productive.
Hosting a larger rally across town, or standing along their path with your back turned, or showing up to do the hora in front of the synagogue with greater numbers, those might be more productive activities.
― dan selzer, Friday, 18 August 2017 17:20 (six years ago) link
xp That's just it. There's cognitive dissonance because the targeted audience here agrees with everything she's saying about Nazis/Ann Coulter.
― Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Friday, 18 August 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
Whether or not it was meant as satire
I mean, it is obviously satire. Do you actually believe that Tina Fey is saying that the way to solve these problems is to binge-eat a cake made by minorities? Do you also believe that Jonathan Swift earnestly meant for poor people to sell children the couldn't take care of to rich people so they can be eaten? Come on.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, 18 August 2017 17:21 (six years ago) link
i'm unsurprised that the Harry Potter creator is immune to comedy, however pedestrian
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 August 2017 17:22 (six years ago) link
Congratulations on finding someone who understands comedy even less than yourself, then.
― grawlix (unperson), Friday, 18 August 2017 17:23 (six years ago) link
I mean, it is obviously satire. Do you actually believe that Tina Fey is saying that the way to solve these problems is to binge-eat a cake made by minorities?
I've heard mainstream libs make dumber arguments. fwiw I am willing to give her the benefit of *some* doubt, and if it was satire then she inspired a lot of people to show their asses on this and I commend her
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 18 August 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
"One in a row!" as Jerry Lewis says
xp
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 18 August 2017 17:24 (six years ago) link
"...sometimes being on the receiving end of violence is the whole point. That’s how you expose the hypocrisy and rot you’re struggling against. They attack unprovoked. You don’t counterattack. You’re hurt. The world sees. Hearts change. It takes tremendous courage: Your body ends up being the canvas that bears the evidence of the violence you’re fighting against."
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/how-to-make-fun-of-nazis.html?referer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F
― sleeve, Friday, 18 August 2017 17:25 (six years ago) link