there must be some more ancient magic/forestbaby stuff in store: revelations about the white walkers & more 3 eyed raven biz. mb beric & tormund will frodo & sam it into the newly vacated north to destroy the secret white walker power orb. I like how the show balances the nonsense fantasy by having characters who basically resent that they live in a nonsense fantasy world.
also as good as dinklage is in this his american-trying-to-sound-british accent is kind of ludicrous
― ogmor, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
FB that isn't really true. depends on when in european history you're talking. consanguinity of marriage within a certain (legally varying) degree was considered a sin. dispensation had to be given (i forget which english king(s) had to have this granted) the church pushed it out to 7, until the high middle ages when the european aristocracy began to be so interrelated that the ok degree was reduced.
the disability-producing inbreeding of the habsburgs, for ex, is a later early modern phenomenon. i don't know how the church handled that! or it's earlier and not european, if you wanna look at the ptolemies. indulgence of incest for political reasons tends to be a v narrow thing i think.
― goole, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 20:56 (six years ago) link
ptolemies were european, if we're gonna be correcting each other
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 20:59 (six years ago) link
more to the pt is that it's not clear what kind of taboo incest carries in this world or what the gen pop thinks of it. sometimes it's punished heavily but without any lasting consequence, and as a narrative device the writers seem to like it. lol nothing matters!
xp well yeah. but they picked put the practice of royal incest in egypt, right?
― goole, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link
yep you coulda just said pharaohs, you just happened to specifically pick the european ones
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:08 (six years ago) link
u ppl are gonna stop talking when da show is over, rite
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:10 (six years ago) link
stfy bill
― ian, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:13 (six years ago) link
shut the fuck... elf?
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:15 (six years ago) link
(my friend Xtine calls it "the Elf Show")
― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:16 (six years ago) link
trypoes
― ian, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link
there are no elfs.
― ian, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:19 (six years ago) link
jon snow's butt
if your work considers that a problem i feel bad for you soni got something jon butt snow something about wight problems hit me
― Karl Malone, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 21:42 (six years ago) link
Incest in Westeros is generally thought of as taboo, but the Targaryens were powerful and in-charge and they liked incest, so who was gonna stop them really? It might have contributed to the coin flip nature of Targaryen personalities; they would either be regal and intelligent, or paranoid and a little mad.
― rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link
If Jon and Dany decide to get married and use side by side, maybe the people of Westeros will decide that they've had enough incest after the Targs and then Lannisters and then rise up in revolt
― rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:06 (six years ago) link
xxpost internet delivers :D
yay butts yes i am tina belcher
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:20 (six years ago) link
would like to see a romance plot with night king and one of the mulleted zombie generals in s8 - give him some humanity
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:29 (six years ago) link
Tywin and Joanna Lannister were first cousins as well.
It's interesting what you're saying, goole, but I'm almost certain I could find earlier examples of noble cousins marrying in feudal Denmark, at the least.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 30 August 2017 22:45 (six years ago) link
I thought it was already well known and established, as voodoo points out, that the Targs were fine with familial hookups.
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 31 August 2017 00:10 (six years ago) link
BTW can I come into the film threads and tell you to stfu?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 31 August 2017 00:13 (six years ago) link
https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/FnfNeoQqwoiVPsWnv2fBlw--/Zmk9c3RyaW07aD0zODg7cHlvZmY9MDtxPTk1O3c9NzIwO3NtPTE7YXBwaWQ9eXRhY2h5b24-/https://s.yimg.com/os/creatr-images/GLB/2017-09-01/8b798cc0-8f3f-11e7-a435-29156fd381a8_osteen-copy.jpg.cf.jpg
anyone notice how Joel Osteen looks just like Littlefinger?
― nomar, Friday, 1 September 2017 21:54 (six years ago) link
sort of!
but the one i can't get out of my head is
https://i.imgur.com/OS19wzO.jpg
― Karl Malone, Friday, 1 September 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link
Have to admit that Eliza Dushku as a dark sorceress sounds pretty cool. Haven't seen her act since Wrong Turn, can't really assess her skills.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 2 September 2017 12:53 (six years ago) link
The problem is going to be Goyer misreading the source material as badass, awesome, epic.
― Wes Brodicus, Saturday, 2 September 2017 14:03 (six years ago) link
Is Black Company good?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 2 September 2017 14:22 (six years ago) link
some of it is fantastic
other books are dumb
― sean gramophone, Saturday, 2 September 2017 15:02 (six years ago) link
Other books in the series are dumb? Or Black Company are the only non-dumb books to be published?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 2 September 2017 15:54 (six years ago) link
I've read the first two -- they're good and they have their own unique tone in the field of fantasy. I was kind of wrong footed by it at first but came to really appreciate it.
The Steven Erickson books, though, which are apparently hugely influenced by the black company, are complete shit (or at least the first one is-- sorry but if you start that poorly I'm not investing further time in you)
― harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 2 September 2017 16:18 (six years ago) link
The Malazan ones? Yeah, I tried to get through the first one and had to give up. Made nearly no sense to me, but I liked the ambition of it.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 2 September 2017 16:37 (six years ago) link
I couldn't get through the first one either. The crazy number of subplots right out of the gate was ridiculous. Maybe start with a contained idea and build up from that.
― jmm, Saturday, 2 September 2017 16:41 (six years ago) link
currently on book 9 of 2nd read thru!
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 2 September 2017 17:19 (six years ago) link
OK what are the last half a doz posts about? Some other author? I'm confused. Whats Eliza Dushku got to do with anything?
― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 3 September 2017 05:43 (six years ago) link
She's playing the Night King
― louie mensch (milo z), Sunday, 3 September 2017 05:49 (six years ago) link
She's a dark sorceress in a tv series adaptation of Glen Cook's Black Company. As linked many posts above.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Sunday, 3 September 2017 11:01 (six years ago) link
Cosign on giving up Malazan in the first volume, it was like reading an RPG sourcebook on amphetamines.
― chap, Sunday, 3 September 2017 11:38 (six years ago) link
iirc malazan did in fact start off as an RPG and he converted to novel form. and yes it's bad.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 3 September 2017 21:03 (six years ago) link
Yeah he seemed to have literally no grasp of pacing.
― chap, Monday, 4 September 2017 16:45 (six years ago) link
cosign -- https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2017/9/5/16256210/binge-mode-fantasy-game-of-thrones
― reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
hah that conception speech almost made his cohost cry iirc.. I think she actually did cry a little bit later talking about something else
some of these got podcasts are fucking intense
― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:32 (six years ago) link
Great piece, and an intense podcast! TBF, Mal would cry every time she talked about one of the dire wolves, so she's a softie...
― DJI, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:49 (six years ago) link
p cool sentiment though, i def agree
― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 01:16 (six years ago) link
yeah they were losing it at the end. love concepcion's speech
― I Love You, Fancybear (symsymsym), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 02:47 (six years ago) link
Kind of blows my mind that as much as "Game of Thrones" is positioned as a phenomenon - and maybe it is? - its record breaking season finale was still more or less on par in terms of viewers with the 14th season finale of "NCIS."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:55 (six years ago) link
NCIS = free network TV, Got = HBO? i wonder too if nielsen and whoever can accurately capture all the purloined / pirate viewings
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:09 (six years ago) link
Well, then you'd have to factor in all the millions upon millions of old people torrenting NCIS, too, and it'd be no contest.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:14 (six years ago) link
It is interesting stuff, these numbers and what they mean. I just looked it up, and the series finale of "Breaking Bad" got around 10 million viewers on basic cable (right?), which is a few million under GoT's most recent season finale (on pay cable), not including downloading. Does GoT seem any more a pop culture phenomenon than BB? They seem about on par to me.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:18 (six years ago) link
i'd bet there are a lot more GoT viewing parties than there are for BB. it's more of a social event, like a football game, compared to like golf or tennis? ime at least there are way more people on average gathered together chilling and drinking etc for a GoT episode than BB, which is way more solitary
― reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:27 (six years ago) link
Culture writers talk about how much traffic even the worst GoT writeup gets. The torrenting numbers are insane. Yeah, it's a pop culture phenomenon, and on a premium cable network. More people are definitely watching NCIS, but they're older, and don't spend much time and money on it, so there's really not any incentive to try and do something with it.
― Frederik B, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:02 (six years ago) link
I thought the worldwide audience for this would be many times bigger than NCIS
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:38 (six years ago) link
Oh, it's got to be, right?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:43 (six years ago) link