In this thread, some friendly advice from Jack T Chick

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Yeah, I guess it was actually kind of arrogant of me to assume these folks would somehow "know better". Still, it seems to me that someone must have, at some point, realized that this sort of imagery has no place in the atheist narrative. Maybe not. Maybe just an inability to see other points of view. I didn't grow up Christian, so I still tend to recognize how pointless all this would have seemed to me. It might be different to those who have lived this way their whole lives? I don't know.

This is making me want to write to them with all kinds of suggestions. I could be like a double agent, telling them the REAL ways to convert people! Then one day, they realize how silly some of their theology is, and everyone lives happily ever after.

Hutch (Hutch Renfro), Sunday, 10 September 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link

eight months pass...

My favourite Chick moment is where some arab claims that Islam has brought the United Kingdom to its knees. If it has, I really must not have been paying attention.

chap, Sunday, 3 June 2007 15:09 (sixteen years ago) link

That's just the standard complaint of people like Mark Steyn. Their paranoia is depressing but amusing.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 3 June 2007 16:41 (sixteen years ago) link

one month passes...

HARRY POTTER, oh noes!

kingfish, Monday, 23 July 2007 20:11 (sixteen years ago) link

i like

gff, Monday, 23 July 2007 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link

kinda long

milo z, Monday, 23 July 2007 20:18 (sixteen years ago) link

I like how the essential conceit underpinning it is that MAGIC IS REAL

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 23 July 2007 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/lixnixn/5018_04.gif

This has gotta be the coolest-looking kid ever! The shades, the ponytail, the hat, the skull and the peace sign!

Tuomas, Monday, 23 July 2007 20:20 (sixteen years ago) link

haha wow

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 23 July 2007 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link

ranger hats are big with satanists these days I hear

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 23 July 2007 20:24 (sixteen years ago) link

uncle bob looks like john waters!!!!!!!!!!!!!

river wolf, Monday, 23 July 2007 20:26 (sixteen years ago) link

found via here

But it seems that when someone is campaigning against the book or the films, the leader of the campaign is invariably a fundamentalist Christian. For instance, fundamentalist Laura Mallory, of Lawrenceville, Georgia, tried to ban the Potter books from the public school library. She says the books have “evil themes” because they speak of witchcraft and spells. And the Bible clearly teaches such things are immoral. One child who opposed her efforts saw things more clearly. He said, “never at any time did I think the books are true.” But fundamentalists do think that there is truth in these books. Unlike most rational people, they do believe that witches and spells exist. They have no choice since the Bible condemns such things. To say they don’t exist questions the infallibility of Scripture. Most people are not offended by the theme of the Potter series because they don’t believe the “dark forces” actually exist...

kingfish, Monday, 23 July 2007 20:28 (sixteen years ago) link

+ the story of saul going to see the witch is one of the funniest things in the bible

gff, Monday, 23 July 2007 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Harry Potter: Witchcraft Repackaged

...Hosts Robert S.McGee, author of The Search For Significance, and Caryl Matrisciana, author and occult researcher, answer these questions and show Rowling's presentation of the following elements of Witchcraft: Mother Goddess, evolution, reincarnation, communing with the dead and spirit world, seasonal nature celebrations, sorcery, divination, spells, curses, meditation, occult symbology, black magic, demon possession, "dark" aspects of Witchcraft, and more.

Viewers will see how young readers today, more than any other time in history, have an abundance of occult resources easily available to them. They will also learn how to answer difficult questions and clearly explain the Harry Potter series to their children, grandchildren and concerned friends...

oh no, meditation! evolution!

http://www.atlanticbullionandcoin.com/images/HarryPotter.jpg

But I like how ever the discerning duo of Cox & Forkum laugh at these folks:

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/WizardHunt-X.gif

kingfish, Monday, 23 July 2007 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link

I love this bit of classic Chick dialogue in the "Bad Bob" comic cited in the link with the photo of Jack Chick that Ned linked to above.

Middle-aged woman: Bad Bob is crude, rude, and socially unacceptable, but we just love him!
Middle aged woman #2: Bob's the best connection we've ever had. He can get us acid, smack, dust, coke, speed and black beauties. It's too bad he's such a sleaze.

dell, Monday, 23 July 2007 21:37 (sixteen years ago) link

why does that witch have no head?

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 23 July 2007 21:38 (sixteen years ago) link

haha "evolution" given as example of "witchcraft"

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 23 July 2007 21:38 (sixteen years ago) link

*gasp* they used the scientific method! BURN THE WITCHES!

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 23 July 2007 21:39 (sixteen years ago) link

The thing about the anti-Harry Potter hysteria that I think is especially misguided is that, the books are essentially benign fantasy novels, much as Tolkien's output was to earlier generations...I can't imagine being a kid and reading the books and then being inspired to pursue actual witchcraft. The fundamentalist Christian contingent's energies would presumably be better spent getting upset about those actual witchcraft-for-teens cutesy books that are marketed towards adolescent girls...or the simple fact that kids can look up all manner of occult stuff on the web.

I actually do believe that one can in some sense manipulate occult energies or draw up "dark" forces, but I can't imagine Harry Potter books or films ever being a "gateway" seducing kids into those sorts of practices. At most, it's a gateway towards dressing up as characters from the book during Halloween, or buying more Harry Potter merchandise, or...actually sitting down and reading a book instead of playing video games or watching television.

dell, Monday, 23 July 2007 21:57 (sixteen years ago) link

bad bob has always been one of my favorite chick tracts:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y123/Eisbaer29/0021_05.gif

Eisbaer, Monday, 23 July 2007 22:09 (sixteen years ago) link

corny indie fuXors love God!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y123/Eisbaer29/0021_08.gif

Eisbaer, Monday, 23 July 2007 22:14 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1033/1033_01.asp

Ah man, some of these recent ones are fuckin doozies - kids becoming serial killers because they found out Santa's not real and a judge being allowed to try a kid whose life he'd previously saved, despite having sent him a birthday card every year. This guy just keeps on GIVING.

That mong guy that's shit, Monday, 23 July 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link

holy crap, i was just about to look for a chick thread to revive to brag that i found the "trust me!" tract on the sidewalk this afternoon.

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0025/0025_01.asp

get bent, Monday, 23 July 2007 22:35 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.chick.com/tractimages15888/1033/1033_14.gif

My favourite ever one was some Hitler Youth looking kid pointing at the typical smug-godbothering wise grandpa figure, scfreaming "I HATE YOU AND YOUR JESUS! I HOPE THE HEALERS KILL YOU!" with a look of genuinely unsettling hatred on his face. I unwisely tried to use it a poster image for a clubnight once but the promoter nixed it cos he was scared of getting bricked by fundies.

That mong guy that's shit, Monday, 23 July 2007 22:38 (sixteen years ago) link

Slightly off topic, but this morning on God Hates America: Tammy in HELL!!

http://www.godhatesamerica.com/

moley, Monday, 23 July 2007 22:41 (sixteen years ago) link

When a priceless carpet is permanently stained, its owner learns that only Jesus' blood can remove the stain of sin.

This shit is parody-proof

That mong guy that's shit, Monday, 23 July 2007 22:51 (sixteen years ago) link

Poe's Law: satire masquerading as fundamentalism is indistinguishable from the real thing.

kingfish, Monday, 23 July 2007 22:57 (sixteen years ago) link

IT'S AIDS!

tremendoid, Monday, 23 July 2007 23:20 (sixteen years ago) link

WELL SHUT MAH MOUTH!

tremendoid, Monday, 23 July 2007 23:21 (sixteen years ago) link

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y123/Eisbaer29/0021_08.gif

lol corny indie fuxor rainbow shirt

Hurting 2, Monday, 23 July 2007 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link

whoops - well it's the one upthread anyway

Hurting 2, Monday, 23 July 2007 23:23 (sixteen years ago) link

corny indie Xtian fuXor gets sonned by angry biker/meth-dealer in a prison beef ...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y123/Eisbaer29/0021_08.gif

... and thereafter starts harboring very un-Xtian, violent revenge fantasies:

http://pbfcomics.com/archive/PBF024AD-Nice_T_Shirt.jpg

Eisbaer, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 03:06 (sixteen years ago) link

u read my mind

Hurting 2, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 03:28 (sixteen years ago) link

It's sad how the kids always seem to get molested at the end of these biblical comics. O well.

humansuit, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 03:31 (sixteen years ago) link

Is someone else drawing the tracts these days? Theyre starting to look more like a Viz comic strip than anything!!!

Trayce, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 03:45 (sixteen years ago) link

And holy shit the logic behind that "there is no santa so kid became a psychokiller" one o_O

Trayce, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 03:47 (sixteen years ago) link

Ranger hat kid upthread looks like what would have happened when Linus Van Pelt finally grew up and became the hippie we all knew he was.

Elvis Telecom, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 05:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Also I refuse to believe anyone's led a stunted enough life they'd actively not know who jesus was.

Trayce, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 06:01 (sixteen years ago) link

Then again, I am protesting the logic of a Chick tract. Why am I doing this.

Trayce, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 06:02 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.chick.com/tractimages15888/0041/0041_10.gif

LOL priorities.

Trayce, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 06:12 (sixteen years ago) link

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/fluxion23/spoon.jpg

kenan, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 06:34 (sixteen years ago) link

Back in the nineties there used to be lots of retouched Jack T. Chick comics available in the net; my favourite one was an edited version of the trucker tract, where the two greasy truckers are homophobes instead of Jesus-deniers, and the big muscular guy who comes to talk to them isn't a Christian but a gay man, who ends up converting them to the joys of sodomy. But most of these comics were removed at some point, because Jack Chick had threatened the various sites showing them with legal action.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 06:57 (sixteen years ago) link

Back in the nineties there used to be lots of retouched Jack T. Chick comics available in the net; my favourite one was an edited version of the trucker tract, where the two greasy truckers are homophobes instead of Jesus-deniers, and the big muscular guy who comes to talk to them isn't a Christian but a gay man, who ends up converting them to the joys of sodomy. But most of these comics were removed at some point, because Jack Chick had threatened the various sites showing them with legal action.

it's still here, tuomas

Eisbaer, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 07:07 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, but those seem to be redrawn versions of the original strips instead of retouched ones (most likely done so to avoid the aforementioned legal action), and there were a lot more of them available back then.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 07:11 (sixteen years ago) link

Ooh thats odd, some of thedirect links are now not working and they were earlier today. Access log mayhem!

Trayce, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 09:16 (sixteen years ago) link

It was only a matter of time until someone made a live action movie based on the tracts
http://www.316now.com/heaven.html

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 27 July 2007 20:31 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp

Lovely attention to detail on this one. You can see every single line in the angry guy's face! beware the moon god! and non-towelheaded-but-mustachio'd butch men bearing tautologies!

kingfish, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 07:48 (sixteen years ago) link

<i>Do you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Saviour?

[ ]Yes [ ] No _______Date</i>

If you want your personal theology and religon reduced to the level of 8-year-olds passing notes in class, feel free to check the appropriate box.

Oh yeah, and England is being brought to its knees, apparently.

kingfish, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 07:51 (sixteen years ago) link


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